I'm clinging to the hope that this is all part of the horse race coverage and one day we'll look back at all this and laugh and laugh and laugh. There really should be some sort of test one has to take in order to be president. I can't believe that so many people in this country are willing to hand the steering wheel to someone like Trump.
I hope so ... but when you consider that the best case scenario here is four years of Hillary Clinton, I'm not real sure what there is to laugh about. And obviously we can just forget about flipping Congress Democratic. I keep telling myself "Hillary has to beat Donald at the debates. Surely she can do that, right?" For some reason it's not making me feel any better. Quite the opposite, actually.
There is a difference between the majority and the loudest. What I believe we are witnessing is the knee jerk reaction of a group of people that know better but are too involved to back down. They don't have a counter argument so like their leader they just resort to insults and bullying. What is more important is that, and I firmly believe this, that the vast majority would rather shot themselves in the head then see Frump as President. Those of us with enough intelligence to understand what he could do to this country must be sure that we get as many people out to vote as is humanly possible. We must also try and get people to stop listening to their talking heads, be they liberal or conservative, and just listen to what the candidates are saying. Figure out that saying that whatever they do is going to be great need to be asked how that is going to happen. I don't want to just know what they think they can accomplish things, I want to know how they intend to do that. I don't want to hear that they will have to come up with ideas, duh, I want them to already have ideas. I've been accused of listening to the left, when the only people that I have listened too are the the exact words that each candidate is saying of substance, not the lies that both sides are capable of coming up with. I don't dislike Clump because he is conservative, I dislike him because he is an idiot and being elected president is not going to make him automatically smarter. I want the world to know that, as was said by others, building walls keeps people in as well as other out. It is my belief that the worst thing that could happen to this country and the very thing that will take us from being a world power to the laughing stock of the world or perhaps the people that allowed an orange haired, tiny little man, to destroy the world and everything and everybody in it. This is important folks. This is about electing a woman over a man, it's about maintaining our place in the world or any place in the world for that matter.
You've obviously never lived in SW Missouri or any other deep red area. The problem is not Trump... the problem is the idiots who vote for him and would vote for any other racist authoritarian that ran for office.
I agree with that, but would alter it to "The problem is the idiots who vote for him and would vote for any other racist authoritarian that ran for office, and with Trump shamelessly appealing to these very instincts."
The really upsetting thing is aren't there more of us then there are of them? Shouldn't we cancel out whatever those bigots think? If they started an uprising shouldn't we be able to stop it? If you are concerned for this country... be sure to vote that common folk Billionaire back to his tower. A phrase that is an oxymoron in and of itself. How stupid is this country.
I certainly thought so but Trump's "permission" to show themselves seems to have brought a lot of silent bigots back out of the closet.
I'm concerned about that, but, person for person they are mostly just the loudest. I know that I post on here and a few other places, but, just tonight I had a representative from the Republican party knock on my door and ask if I was going to vote and then he asked if I would answer some of his questions. I basically just said, I would, but, I know for a fact that you would not like the answers and I'm also certain that whatever I say that doesn't conform with your beliefs will be trash canned and called a "rigged response". So he moved on. I still believe in the over all intelligence of this country and I believe that the same people that elected Obama twice even though they were saying how close the election was, are still out there. If not, then I no longer live in the land of the free and unfortunately I'm to old to move. I'm stuck with it. One of my daughters said to me the other day... Dad, I have never seen you so involved emotionally in an elections before! And I replied that never in all the years I have been around have I ever seen an election that was more important for the future of this country. That orange haired menace to all that is honest and moral and presidential must be sent packing back to NYC where he can be content with just screwing over local contractors and vendors and leave the American Citizens alone.
I couldn't agree more. My salvation has been the polls from 2008 and 2012 that kept saying it was "too close to call" and yet Obama was declared the winner as soon as the polls closed on the West Coast. I have to believe they are mistaken. I too am really too old to leave the country but I fear for my grandchildren.
It's very depressing to me that someone like Trump finds so much support in this country. Whether he wins or not, the fact remains that to a sizable chunk of this country, the notion of a president with so little experience, the wrong temperament, and little-to-no international knowledge (apart from golf course deals) is quite worrying. If Trump were a kind man, who seemed to genuinely care for people, care for this country, or had some sort of charming personality, it would be much easier to understand his appeal. Rather, he's a nasty, thin-skinned tyrant, who stopped maturing around 7th grade. He plays into the undercurrent of racism and hate that it seems will never be gone from this country. This whole presidential run is about settling scores and lashing out. I hope and pray that he is defeated not just in tonight's debate, but come November as well. I have a pretty good imagination, but I can't imagine what Trump's America will even look like. (Well, I can imagine it, I Just don't like to. It makes me sick.)
I'm guessing that after tonight's debate, I'm going to feel either a palpable sense of relief... or of dread. The paragraph I read in the last week that unsettled me most was (paraphrasing, and I can't even remember the author): "I'm getting the same uneasy feeling I got in the runup to Iraq. We're headed towards a disaster, thoughtful people know it, but too many people have been duped into thinking it's the right decision. And the press is greasing the skids by not doing their damn job." I remember that feeling very well in 2002/early 2003. That we were going to do this remarkably reckless thing, in the face of all rationality, and much of America was going to cheer it. And then we'd all be stuck with a monumental mess. Same feeling now, and I suspect if Trump holds his own or, Lord help us, "exceed expectations" (which the media itself has set at floor-level), I expect that feeling to grow. As many of you know, I've been not TOO worried for most of this year. Always knew he COULD pull it off, but considered it unlikely. I still do. If he doesn't win Florida, he pretty much can't win, and he's only up by 0.1% right now. And I'm pretty sure they're undercounting the Hispanic vote in Florida, especially the large influx of Puerto Ricans who moved to Florida in the last few years due to the troubles in P.R., are citizens and thus can vote, but didn't vote in the 2012 election because they were still on the island (and thus aren't counted as "likely voters.") That alone says to me Clinton will overperform her polls in Florida, and if she wins Florida, his path is very narrow indeed. Things like that give me hope. But the last couple of weeks is the first time all year I've felt like he might actually pull it off. Right now I'd still make it 60/40 Clinton, but that 40% is still waaaaay too close for my comfort. Hoping to feel better after tonight. Stay tuned...
I think there is a sizable population in this country who just can't handle the idea of a woman President. And after 8 years of 'a black President' who authorizes crazy things like 'gay marriage' and removing Confederate flags, and normalizing relations with Iran, at this point that same group is just losing their collective minds. To them, Trump is an older white guy and they find that comforting.
I have to keep reminding myself that this same nation did indeed elect an African American president twice, in spite of the GOP offering up McCain and Romney, both of which were far more moderate than Trump. Is the country really wanting to make a hard right turn (or a U turn)? I doubt it. What's interesting is that many other Democratic candidates would have run away with this thing, and on the other hand, almost any other GOP candidate might have easily defeated Hillary. We have two candidates who have many negatives associated with them, which helps keep it close. But I sure don't think the country as a whole is excited about the possibility of Trump in the White House. I really don't know what will become of us should he win.
Bingo! Even when he loses; this knowledge will keep me awake nights. And let's say, god forbid, that he wins. And, let's say, it takes no time to start impeachment on one of his crimes. And, let's say, he is convicted and removed from office. (Or pulls a Nixon and resigns.) We are then stuck with Pence to pick Supreme Court justices and undo health care and women's rights and......................
I get the appeal. He's "a badass", in a reality TV sort of way, and he's sticking it to the man by saying that politicians suck (a fair sentiment that's easy to climb onboard with), plus he's a billionaire which plays into America's wealth worship thing. Just look at how he bragged about not paying any taxes (that makes me smart!), and talks about all those deals he does so incredibly well. That turns a lot of people on, as they're trying to live vicariously through him. Again, the "rich badass" thing is strongly appealing to Joe Average american white guy 'cause he wants to be that. That too. *sigh*
Hillary was excellent during the debates. It was like the big dumb football jock vs the straight A student. Whether that appeals to the masses or not - I'm not sure.
Non-college educated white guys tend to go for the jock. Down here n SW Missouri lack of education is almost viewed as a badge of glory.
Yeah, they'll vote for Trump. But they're not enough. Most hopeful article I've read today. This is about suburban women near Philly (and, by extension, Columbus and Cleveland and Miami and Tampa, and...) http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/u...vent&rref=collection/news-event/election-2016 "Donald J. Trump badly needed to make an impression on women like Nancy Groux in Monday’s presidential debate. She is an undecided Republican who hungers for change in Washington and thinks business experience would be an asset in the Oval Office. In the light of Tuesday morning, it was clear that he had made an impression — but not a good one. Waiting here for a dress shop to open, Ms. Groux, 60, said that she thought that Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee, had been “presidential” in the debate, but that Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee, had come across like a “bull in a china closet.” “I truly want to like him,” she said. “I keep looking for something in him. But I can’t have my children grow up and look at him as someone to respect.” (snip) "Ms. Melton, a registered Republican who manages a team of software engineers, said that if the election were today, Mrs. Clinton — whom she, too, called “so much more presidential” — would get her vote. That alone was a milestone, she added: “I come from a long line of Republican family members who will turn over in their graves.”
