DAR, you might wanna give Gary Johnson another looksee...

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  1. Mr. X

    Mr. X Active Member

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    Just sayin... (pay special attention at the 5:20 mark...the guy's a loon man)

     
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    Yeah he is. I'm on the fence now on him. But the fact that I'm still considering voting for him tells you what I think of the other choices. I'm honestly weighing on not voting for the President.(save the lectures, my vote, my choice)
     
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    The sane conservative running is McMullin. He's way too conservative for me though.
     
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    He's a loon, but you're on the fence. Wha?

    I don't have a problem with you skipping all (or writing someone in) - if you think they all suck, what else can you do?
     
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    There is one person to consider writing in.

    Theo Epstein put together two separate teams that broke arguably the most infamous curses in all of sports. Just saying
     
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    Well, however you wanna throw your vote away, that's up to you I guess...

    Clinton still has a comfortable lead in your state anyway, so it's not like your vote matters. ;)
     
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    Grrrrr! That drives me crazy here in California. I want my vote to count and make a difference. We do not even get adds for the Presidential race here. Waste of their money.
     
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    That's why all polls should open and close at the same time on Election Day.
     
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    Unrealistic when you factor in Alaska and Hawaii (which, by the way, are *still* voting most years when the networks call it).
     
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    Not if the polls are open 24 hours.
     
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    Asking a lot of the local election administrators, this is. Where you gonna get that many locations to be available 24 hours? Where you gonna get the additional poll workers?
     
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    Good point, but the only way to make it fair to every state, unless you forbid media from reporting any results before all polls close in every location. And, good luck with that.
     
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    And get rid of the @&&%#%*&% electoral college.
     
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    The @&&%#%*&% electoral college is the #1 reason Hillary still has a good shot at winning this thing. Don't you DARE get rid of it.
     
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    Yes, I do agree there at this point.
    (But I still think that overall it is wrong.) I took an American History class in 1999 and it made my blood curdle. Those misogynistic slave owners (otherwise known as Founding Fathers) are not who I want making the rules in the 21st century.o_O
     
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    She's still ahead in the popular vote, is she not?

    Either way, I don't think that's a reason to keep it. If the majority of Americans want someone (yes, even someone as loathsome as Trump) they shouldn't be thwarted by some convoluted system that you need an advanced degree to wrap your head around. Far more Americans voted for Gore, but he lost anyway. Think that was a reason to thank the Electoral College in it's infinite wisdom too?

    Then you've got a case where at least one elector is threatening to jump ship out of a blue state (Washington, to be specific), meaning it might be necessary for Clinton to get 271 just to avoid a congressional battle. How does *THAT* make any sense? 500 or so electors, some of which may be loose cannons to begin with, have more power than the rest of us combined even when given their marching orders. Think about that. If I was ever thinking about a genuine coup, I might start with influencing some of those few hundred folks (hell, that sounds like a book worth writing....I'll add it to the list lol).

    As far as the e.c. being the only thing keeping Clinton comfortably in the lead — don't for get that she has one of the best teams ever assembled, and they planned it this way in order to maximize their chances, carefully working within the (oft byzantine) system. If it'd been popular vote that mattered, you can be assured that they'd have planned their strategy differently, and I would guess she'd still be in the lead.
     
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    In some polls, no. Not anymore.

    But we can't sit here discussing how stupid 50% of the country is and then say the electoral college is a bad thing. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT - that the average person is too stupid / uneducated / GULLIBLE to elect a President - and half of us are below average. That was the Founding Fathers' view, and they were right. They set up the Electoral College as a stupidity buffer. The House of Representatives was the designated directly-elected mouthpiece for the unwashed masses. Reminder: This isn't and never has been a democracy ... it's a republic.

    ICYMI, Google search on the words "James Madison You Dumb" and read the first article that comes up. Can't link to it here - there's a bad word in the title.
     
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    How so?
     
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    I reiterate, Google search on the words "James Madison You Dumb" and read the first article that comes up.
     
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    Yep, they wanted an out if the *people* (you know, those folks that the country is of, by and for) made a bad choice. They were never trying to make it fair for smaller states even though my husband's boss just laid out a whole map for him; explaining how it works. I believe it is wrong and that we should have a democracy like I was taught in Civics class.
     

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