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  1. mawnck

    mawnck Well-Known Member

  2. mawnck

    mawnck Well-Known Member

    Nazis.

    Justice Department to North Carolina: Stop Illegally Purging Black Voters From the Rolls

    "In North Carolina, any person can revoke any other person’s voting rights without their knowledge. The process is simple: Someone sends a letter to thousands of people at once based on the address listed on their voter registration. He then gathers all mail returned as undeliverable, and sends another letter to those addresses, informing them that they are being removed from the voter rolls. If the voter does not appear at a county board of elections or return a notarized form, her voting rights are nullified. How easy is that?

    Recently, Republicans in North Carolina have used this method to purge thousands of voters, most of them black Democrats, from the rolls. The NAACP has sued, alleging a violation of the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA), whose procedural safeguards limit states’ ability to purge the voter rolls. Now the Justice Department has joined in, filing a statement of interest essentially pointing out that an egregious and unlawful voter suppression effort is currently underway in North Carolina."
     
  3. iamsally

    iamsally Well-Known Member

    :eek:
     
  4. EighthDwarf

    EighthDwarf Active Member

    Good lord, there is a lot of rot in our country that the Trump campaign is bringing out. I suppose it's better knowing that it's there - and how large it is - so that we can be prepared for it. But it's enough to make one sick to the stomach. And I don't want to hear the song, "I'm Proud to be an American" for a very long time.
     
  5. Kar2oonman

    Kar2oonman Active Member

    Very true, EighthDwarf. It's depressing to know that this country is festering with so much hate and rage just below the surface. What is especially sickening is that all that rage and hate is enflamed by talk radio, websites and TV purely to make a buck. I don't know if anyone "wins" this election.
     
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  9. EighthDwarf

    EighthDwarf Active Member

    What is also depressing is that facts don't seem to matter as much as they should. The candidates and their supporters (one side more than the other) endlessly spew all kinds of utter nonsense. And because followers want these things to be true, they "believe" them, thereby becoming facts in their minds. Their is a collective detachment from reality that is truly horrifying because of the sheer scope of it.

    I can't tell you how many "educated" or "intelligent" people I associate with that argue with me about things like healthcare, immigration, free trade, etc., but have no grasp of the facts whatsoever. They say things like, "illegal immigration is out of control" or that "Obamacare proves that a single payer system is a disaster" or that "Hillary Clinton said she is going to repeal the 2nd Amendment." These are people I know, many I consider friends. These are people who are very successful in their respective fields. And yet they choose to believe in what they want to be true rather than what is actually true.

    Facts should be the common ground where opposing viewpoints can meet and come to an agreement. They should not be debatable or refutable. They shouldn't have to be believed in. But if facts become meaningless to either side (or worse, both), the ability to find common ground becomes impossible. You end up with opposing sides pitting opinion or belief against the other's facts (or, gasp, opinions). But an opinion vs fact argument is like debating in two different languages - it is completely pointless. And if we get to a point where every argument is pointless (sometimes it feels like we are getting awfully close), god help us.
     
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  10. Yookeroo

    Yookeroo Active Member

    My belief in American exceptionalism was strong in my teens. But it died long ago. I still think our constitution is mostly great. The Bill of Rights is too. And we were on the cutting edge when out nation was born. But, now we're no better than most Western democracies. Worse in some ways, better in others. And a dispassionate look at our history should really dispel the myth of American Exceptionalism. We were way behind the curve on slavery. And our treatment of the native population was, and still is, abominable. Then one of the 2 major parties nominated the least qualified, most douchebaggy candidate ever.
     
  11. iamsally

    iamsally Well-Known Member

    I was just thinking today about how some of the more "modern" taboos, I guess referred to as politically incorrect, are being put back on the table because of Trump. Personally I think a lot of the PC stuff is just crap. But what has come out in the past year is stuff that we innocently thought was okay decades ago (watch any B+W TV show) but learned was wrong and hurtful. And that is what we are seeing now. So sad.
     
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  12. Mr. X

    Mr. X Active Member

    And well over forty percent of the voting population supported him despite everything that was revealed. Don't forget that 'exceptional' part (which will hold true no matter who wins!).
     
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  13. Kar2oonman

    Kar2oonman Active Member

    I'm nervous every election, awaiting the results. But it's almost more a sense of excitement much of the time, wondering what the next 4 years will be like. A little to the right? A little to the left? In my lifetime, I have never felt this sense of dread and potential doom. And I've never seen so many politicos coming out in favor of the opposing team's candidate like this. It isn't just about Trump's crude behavior, his insults, his vulgarness.

    It's about the fact (not an opinion) that the man is wholly unqualified to serve as president. I hope and pray that a majority of American voters see that and show up at the polls next week. We are on the brink of something serious and dangerous.
     
  14. iamsally

    iamsally Well-Known Member

    Same here and my first vote was for McGovern. (Nixon looks damn good compared to this.)
     
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  15. mawnck

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  16. hopemax

    hopemax Member

    I had hoped that once the black man had left office, a sense of normalcy would return to Washington. Shenanigans but within "normal parameters." But it's not going to happen. We've got Senators openly advocating that they don't seat any Supreme Court justices until they are down to less than 5. The impeachment threat will start on Day 1. And that's if the 30% isn't so riled up and they accept the election results in the first place.
     
  17. mawnck

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  20. iamsally

    iamsally Well-Known Member

    This is not going to end on Tuesday. If anything, I am afraid their resolve will be strengthened.
     

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