Originally Posted By pitapan16 Anyone know how AK attendance has been since EE opened early this year?
Originally Posted By stitchcrazy I was there 2 different days over Memorial Day weekend and I know it was a holiday weekend and all but it was by far the most people I've ever seen at DAK.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I am sure DAK has seen an increase in attendance this year no doubt, but WDW has this uppity policy to not release numbers so we don't get to see how anemic their attendance can be at times, especially when compared to TDL's numbers. "Combined numbers" seems to be WDW's way of making themselves look better in the sprectrum of things.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Not only that, but when AB used to release their annual numbers it only counted a turnstile click upon a ticket's first daily use. So if I were to head to MK and then park hop later in the day to EPCOT only MK would get "1" entry from me in the old AB annual numbers. Now for AK, I would think AK would benefit from this industry system. It seems to me that AK would cause people to visit it first in the day and then hop somewhere else later. So in the past years I have never questioned the AK number. Now the EPCOT number I have always questioned because everybody and their brother knows that many folks come to EPCOT later in the day from already visiting another park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<WDW has this uppity policy to not release numbers so we don't get to see how anemic their attendance can be at times, especially when compared to TDL's numbers. "Combined numbers" seems to be WDW's way of making themselves look better in the sprectrum of things. >> Uppity? There is no legal reason for TWDC to release their numbers so they don't. It is not necessary for their financial statements to be useable by shareholders. OLC are obliged to release their combined numbers as the vast majority of their business is generated from TDR. OLC do not believe in releasing individual park results as I'm sure that would demonstrate how poorly TDS has done in the past few years (when compared to its initial success). And on the question at hand DAK has seen the largest uptick of the four parks this year by far. Everest has been a monster success.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Yes. But it also should have its effects working. It should be cold (actually with real snow, if not mist) in the cave. The steam should work on every train. You shouldn't be able to see thru the mesh into the light ...small things, yes. But things that the Disney of old wouldn't have allowed. Also, things that keep EE from being all that it could be.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Can't agree more. It's very frustrating to see after how many years that they can't anticipate what effects will work and not work and plan accordingly. At least not include the effects in the first place and put the money to something more productive like the inside areas of the mountain.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey (actually with real snow, if not mist) How would you keep real snow from melting in Florida without making guests uncomfortable?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< But it also should have its effects working. It should be cold (actually with real snow, if not mist) in the cave. The steam should work on every train. You shouldn't be able to see thru the mesh into the light ...small things, yes. But things that the Disney of old wouldn't have allowed. Also, things that keep EE from being all that it could be. >>> All of this may be true. I think it's clear that a tight budget was in effect for EE. I'm sure that certain teams within WDI could have easily spent $150 million on EE, and that the issues you mention above, and things like the blank backside visible from outside the park, would have been addressed. But the question is: would the incremental changes have been worth an extra $50 million? Now that it's complete, I'm sure it would cost less to address what turned out to be the shortcomings, but I doubt that all of these would have been predictable up front. These issues and probably a dozen others that were done economically that we don't happen to notice because they did a good job would have had money spent on them. But there's one more piece of the equation: <<< And on the question at hand DAK has seen the largest uptick of the four parks this year by far. Everest has been a monster success. >>> My guess is that Disney is very happy with the way EE turned out. From all accounts, this will be the biggest transitional step from turning DAK into a full-day park and seems to have had a great reception with guests. If they are able to get this formula to work repeatedly (be very cost-conscious but still come out with a quality product that's popular with guests even if a few people notice the seams), it will be the new model. And I suspect that the people able to pull it off will be rising stars within WDI and TDWC company in general.
Originally Posted By DigitalDisney Do DLR, HKDL, or DLP release numbers either? If not, then they're just as "uppity" as WDW (the nerve of them!) Besides, it's a well-known fact that WDW's MK is the most visited theme park in the world. There's no need to publish numbers when you're the king. Thus, they also shouldn't publish numbers for EP, MGM, or AK because then they would be special and treated differently.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ DLP do but then they are a separate publicly-traded entity in Europe. TWDC are the minority shareholder. <<Besides, it's a well-known fact that WDW's MK is the most visited theme park in the world.>> You will start the conspiracy theorists off if you say that! There are numerous misguided fools that are adamant that TDL is the king of attendance numbers.
Originally Posted By DigitalDisney Arg. I forgot that I can't edit here... Anyways, I can't back it up, but it seems like AK has been considerably busier on every visit I've made since EE opened. EE, which is a high-capacity ride, runs out of FPs as soon as or sooner than Soarin does, and easily reaches wait times of 60-120 mins or more! That def says something. Hopefully the new Asian restaurant and Nemo show will keep some people in the park longer as well.
Originally Posted By Indigo I predict many hours of waiting in queue to see Finding Nemo at DAK with my son. Now if they can fix up Camp Minnie Mickey we should be set.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>You will start the conspiracy theorists off if you say that! There are numerous misguided fools that are adamant that TDL is the king of attendance numbers.<< Considering other threads, just to be clear, I am not one who would.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Now if they can fix up Camp Minnie Mickey we should be set.<< Agree. And if they could end up getting some Pandas.
Originally Posted By leemac <<>>You will start the conspiracy theorists off if you say that! There are numerous misguided fools that are adamant that TDL is the king of attendance numbers.<< Considering other threads, just to be clear, I am not one who would.>> ) I would never put you in that camp Mike. I'll happily read your POV any time as I know it is backed up by a lot more logic and thought than the ramblings of some posters on LP.
Originally Posted By Park Hopper Okay, this is where I get confused. If Magic Kingdom never releases attendance figures, how do you know it is more attended than TDL?
