sub discussion

Originally Posted By gaston lives

The public was told that the closing of 20K was due to high maintenance costs.

Now, with subs going back into the lagoon in WDL, is this a confirmation that Disney lied to their clients? If their statement was true, they would not have brought them back unless significant changes were made in show design/maintenance advanced technology.

While the new ride probably won't be 20K, I think it's safe to say that Eisner just lied to everybody so he wouldn't receive a lot of backlash for his stupid playground idea.

Thoughts?

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

I will post as soon as I get down off my chair-- where I am standing and applauding and cheering !

 

Originally Posted By t1lersm0m

Can I ask a stupid question? Because I'm not as into the history of DL....

Were the subs removed from DL, and was the lagoon filled in? And now they are creating a brand new attraction based on a similar theme?

If so, then they should be able to do that at MK.

 

Originally Posted By trekkeruss

<<The public was told that the closing of 20K was due to high maintenance costs.>>

To my knowledge, Disney never made any public statements as to why the attraction was closed.

<<Now, with subs going back into the lagoon in WDL, is this a confirmation that Disney lied to their clients?>>

No.

<<If their statement was true, they would not have brought them back unless significant changes were made in show design/maintenance advanced technology.>>

...and they haven't been brought back. We'll never know why the ride was closed, and why it hasn't or can't return.

<<While the new ride probably won't be 20K, I think it's safe to say that Eisner just lied to everybody so he wouldn't receive a lot of backlash for his stupid playground idea.>>

You're making a leap to judgment. We don't know why the attraction was closed.

 

Originally Posted By t1lersm0m

<<...and they haven't been brought back. We'll never know why the ride was closed, and why it hasn't or can't return.>>

The OP was referring to DL, where a Nemo sub ride is being created.

 

Originally Posted By Fe Maiden

I'm no expert on the history of the subs and timeframes, but weren't the subs in DL also shut down? And if so, what was the reason?

It seems to me DL certainly benefits from the fact that the lagoon was never filled in. If the lagoon remained in WDW do you think a sub ride would have reappeared?

 

Originally Posted By trekkeruss

<<Were the subs removed from DL, and was the lagoon filled in? And now they are creating a brand new attraction based on a similar theme?>>

No, the subs at DL were never removed, and the lagoon was never filled in. The subs merely remained hidden from public view (they were in the show building that is disguised as a cave.) The lagoon remained filled with water, and for awhile, Disney didn't take very good care of it... it wasn't unusual to see trash littered around the edges, and a few bits floating in the water.

 

Originally Posted By t1lersm0m

^^So then it makes sense as to why they would put subs in at DL, and not at MK.

 

Originally Posted By trekkeruss

<<If the lagoon remained in WDW do you think a sub ride would have reappeared?>>

One of the rumors of WDW's lagoon is that it leaked, or that the lagoon surfaces may not have been structurally sound any longer. With the MK being built on top of the Utilidors structure, it could explain why they were not able to save the subs there.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<It seems to me DL certainly benefits from the fact that the lagoon was never filled in. If the lagoon remained in WDW do you think a sub ride would have reappeared?

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And give up that playground -- wow ?

p.s. FE - see the community section for question of the day April 18 - allowed to bring 25 songs with you to a desert island- I think you'll like the responses

 

Originally Posted By Fe Maiden

Thanks for the heads up.

 

Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney

The MK subs closed in 1994 for what was then termed an 'extended rehab.' They remained on the closed for rehab list until at least 1996, possibly longer.

After that, it was announced they would not be back. No reason was given by the company. The high costs and not handicap accessible were all brought up in forums such as this.

At some point in the late 90s, around the time one sub was taken to Casatway Cay and sunk as a prop/artificial reef, Disney said that the were going over concepts for an attraction or attractions to take over that real estate. ***Note to VBDAD55, I don't think a Pooh-themed playground was ever discussed at WDI!

The DL subs closed in 1998. Their lagoon was never filled in and the water was treated, unlike WDW's the last few years.
Originally, Disney stated there would be a new attraction built very soon on the same water. A subs themed ride to Atlantis was designed, but went no where when the movie bombed. Other concepts were tossed around before Burbank settled on the Nemo idea.

 

Originally Posted By Fe Maiden

^^^Thanks.

 

Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney

^^You're quite welcome.

The Atlantis sub ride was going to be pretty advanced, with some amazing effects, including a part where it appears the sub is taking on water.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<***Note to VBDAD55, I don't think a Pooh-themed playground was ever discussed at WDI!
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thanks - I could understand how it wouldn;t have been -- if I was in WDI I would have gone "WHAT ?" --

so they just bought a playground from Home Depot instead

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

The whole scenario as to why 20K closed was discussed here on LP some 2-3 years ago, and I could be wrong .. but it seems a WDW CM poster mentioned the story. OPS sought out to "sink" any plan of getting the subs back up .. after a visit by the second in command - Iger? Or perhaps Ovitz who saught to get it opened. Around '99?

That topic must have been archived a year ago or so.

Everything was in bad condition - some of it deliberately set .. so the big heads would officially give the "nix it" executive decision.

So .. in this case .. we cannot blame Eisner and his second in command ... but a division at WDW who wanted it gone!

 

Originally Posted By demderedoseguys

<<The public was told that the closing of 20K was due to high maintenance costs.>>

When my son wrote Disney about 8 years ago, they responded that 20K was closed because the younger kids couldn't relate to it and they wanted to put something there that was more in tune with recent Disney productions.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<<<The public was told that the closing of 20K was due to high maintenance costs.>>

When my son wrote Disney about 8 years ago, they responded that 20K was closed because the younger kids couldn't relate to it and they wanted to put something there that was more in tune with recent Disney productions.,

Ah, that explains the playground...in tune with recent ( at that time) non-PIXAR productions - like Treasure Island and Home on the Range

 

Originally Posted By avromark

Since the sub ride in Tokyo is dry (as far as I know), couldn't they tear down the playground and give us an Atlantis Sub dark ride in that location using a mixture of technology from Tokyo and the projectors etc from Nemo in DL?

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

My theory is this.......

after viewing all of Fantasyland via Google-Earth .. the lose of the 20k lagoon and show building actually do something that could HELP Fantasyland in the long run ....... open up a vertical pass .. to an enlarged Fantasyland that would go well beyond the railroad tracks.

By inserting another attraction directly on top of where 20K stood .... it would cut off the land from possible expansion.

An expansion that could double the size of Fantasyland over the years .. with not one .. not two .. but many rides from "C" to "D" to "E" status!!

... and all this ... and the utility door centered in the back left alone.

If anyone looks at a real photo above ... the possibilities are endless!!