Originally Posted By ecdc Anyone else see the authors of Thirteen Bankers on Bill Moyers? How can anyone watch this and defend capitalism in it's current American form? Basically they review the fact that bankers would amass large debt, then bet AGAINST the debt, therefore making hundreds of millions of dollars by tossing their investors in the gutter. Even when they lose, they win. As Moyers brought up, if I buy a large insurance policy on my home, then burn my home down, I would go to jail for fraud. But that's exactly what these guys have done. There should be a special place received in hell for Mitch McConnell and every Republican who opposes this reform bill. I can't think of anything more cynical than opposing this bill. Holy crap! I'm just in awe....
Originally Posted By ecdc Sorry - here's the link: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04162010/profile.html" target="_blank">http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour...ile.html</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X I so wish that Douglas or people like him would have the guts to chime into topics like this one. I would *love* to read his defense of the Republicans here!
Originally Posted By pecos bill The Republican party has become nothing more than a cancer to this nation. A pack of well compensated lackeys for the billionaire bankers and ceo's who keep them on their corrupt payrolls. I hate the creeps who vote for personal profit over the good of the nation, and pity the idiots who are too stupid to see through these snakes.
Originally Posted By fkurucz I received my new voter registration in the mail the other day. I am now officially "unaffiliated". Buh-bye GOP.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I so wish that Douglas or people like him would have the guts to chime into topics like this one. I would *love* to read his defense of the Republicans here!>> Ditto, X. I'm still waiting for DD to defend his obvious belief in Social Darwinism. But as with this topic, he won't have the guts to appear. GS and the other investment institutions who engage in this type of fraud can not be defended by any moral person, and he knows it. So rather than side with the immoral investment types and the political whackadoodles like McChinless (thanks, Steph) who take their campaign contributions, conservatives will do disappearing acts and pretend that Obama and the Dems don't really want to regulate these institutions and that their legislation is all about propping them up with "permanent bailouts" and maintaining the status quo. Which, of course, is so far removed from the truth, it borders on urban myth. Most conservative voters want the same transparency and accountability from Wall St and the investment banks as do the progressive voters. Problem is, that would necessitate siding with Obama on this issue, which they're not capable of doing, because, you know, he's that Kenyan Muslim Socialist who wants to destroy the country. I predict lots of conservative heads are gonna implode over this legislation. They want to support it, but cannot support it. What to do what to do what to do... BAM!!
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 "I so wish that Douglas or people like him would have the guts to chime into topics like this one. I would *love* to read his defense of the Republicans here!" Why? He never offers fact based defenses for anything and then he accuses everyone of picking on him and the thread devolves from a discussion to a thread devoted to Doug playing the long suffering victim. There are conservatives on here that I would like to hear from but not him.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<pretend that Obama and the Dems don't really want to regulate these institutions and that their legislation is all about propping them up with "permanent bailouts" and maintaining the status quo>> This is the part that scares me the most. I was reading how McConnell and others are now claiming the above, and my mouth just hit the floor. How can these people actually sit there and lie to the American people like that? They know that the proposed legislation is supposed to do the exact opposite, and yet they blatently claim that it will do the opposite, and their fellow party members eat it up! Why do I feel like I'm in a 2010 version of Orwell's 1984?
Originally Posted By DAR If you want regulation that's fine, this regulation I'm not against. But eventually it and you have to be careful of this it becomes a case of "Who regulates the regulators?" And if the answer is we do, then we better get some sort of term limits on everybody. Keep the Presidency where it is. But also make the Senate and House elections the same as the Presidency.
Originally Posted By ecdc I don't think it's fair to attack Douglas or other conservatives. If they choose to chime in, great. But it's not fair to assume how they might feel based on past posts.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I agree, ecdc. < They know that the proposed legislation is supposed to do the exact opposite, and yet they blatently claim that it will do the opposite, and their fellow party members eat it up!> It IS Orwellian, but what else can they say? "Bailout" is a hugely unpopular word, with liberals, independents, AND conservatives, particularly the tea party folks. If they can get even a fraction of people to believe that this bill somehow is about "permanent bailouts," then that would "explain" their opposition. It's a high-risk strategy, but they've obviously decided it's less risky for them than debating the bill on the merits.
Originally Posted By mele I do think it's fair to judge DD on past behavior and how every thread turns out the same once he starts posting. Let's not summon him, okay?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "I do think it's fair to judge DD on past behavior and how every thread turns out the same once he starts posting. Let's not summon him, okay?" I agree, and also with ECDC. There is no need to bring DD up, because we need another thread about him like we need a hole in the head.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<If they can get even a fraction of people to believe that this bill somehow is about "permanent bailouts," then that would "explain" their opposition.>> It's really not that much different than their "death panels" tactic used during the Health Care Reform debates. It's really just sick that they feel they must oppose EVERYTHING that Obama supports. It's just crazy, and really shows that their only true concern is getting back into power come election time - that's all they seem to care about these days. And they seem to have decided that the best way to do this is to oppose every last thing that the Democrats want to get done, and stirring up as many fears as possible along the way. I just pray that it doesn't work with Financial Reform, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I just wish people weren't so gullible, and figured out that we really need to be working to fix the country, not these stupid popularity contests and stubborn opposition to everything. We have huge problems in this country to work out, we don't need spoiled brats stamping their feet and saying "no!" all the time...
Originally Posted By fkurucz Here's another "fad" I've seen, people flying "Don't tread on me" flags from their front porches. I assume they're tea partiers.
Originally Posted By hopemax DH is really annoyed about the appropriation of the "Don't Tread on Me" flag. He has always liked it, and used it as an avatar on various message boards. He likes it because he is a fan of Revolutionary War era history. But now people think he is a tea partier.
