Originally Posted By fkurucz <a href="http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/careers/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate/19556146/" target="_blank">http://www.dailyfinance.com/st...9556146/</a> Check this out. It sure explains a lot.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox The article is spot on. Unemployment has been steadily worsening in this country for the past decade for mainly one reason: offshoring of American jobs. We must return to manufacturing our own products. If we allow the new green tech jobs to go to China and India, we are sunk as a nation.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt I was on vaca last week & at our resort happy hour the beer cups were 1. Made from soy 2. Stamped "Made in USA"! I was surprised as well
Originally Posted By Pal of Minnie It is not manufacturing jobs that we need to worry about being sent out of the country. IT jobs are leaving at a fast rate. Do you really want all of your personal info in India/China.
Originally Posted By Pal of Minnie For that matter why are green card holding IT people being allowed to come here= taking jobs, when we have qualified people in this country that need them? I think that we need to shut down green cards when we have so many out of work. OUR people FIRST.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Actually its very important to keep factories in the US. If they leave then other related jobs follow them out the door: supply chain, management, accounting, R&D, IT, etc. until all that is left here is the sales department.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<I think that we need to shut down green cards when we have so many out of work.>> And who do you propose we give the jobs too instead? What if there aren't any qualified Americans? Personally, I'd rather have people working here, and spending their money here. Just because someone happened to be born in America doesn't automatically make them the most qualified employee.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^So who does the USA belong to? The citizenry or the corporations? Of course there are qualified foreigners who will come here and do the job for less. Corporations have been abusing the H1-B and L1 visa programs for decades, bringing low paid foreigners in to replace Americans, many who are forced to train their foreign replacements in order to receive a severance check
Originally Posted By charming husband +What if there aren't any qualified Americans+ You're kidding right? Personally I would rather have US citizens working here and spending THEIR money here. I agree with Pal of Minnie-Our people first.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 But what's the other option? Does anyone here really think we can turn back the clock on out-sourcing? Do you really think America can realistically close our borders to imports and not start a war? Sorry, but we have gone way to far down that road to turn back.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Do you really think America can realistically close our borders to imports and not start a war?<< Why not? Everybody else does. >>Sorry, but we have gone way to far down that road to turn back.<< Then we might as well get used to the new normal of high unemployment and our impending 3rd world standard of living. In many ways we are already there, which is why so many young people are signing up with the military: economic conscription. Their only other option is a minimum wage, part time job.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I agree with Pal of Minnie-Our people first.<< Agreed, otherwise what is the value of being an American citizen? Other countries jealously protect their good paying jobs, making sure that ONLY their people get them.
Originally Posted By Mr X For the Record, in case you guys haven't guessed already... Pal of Minnie = charming husband sock puppets are neat, aren't they? you can actually argue (or agree) with yourself. Also, Pal of Minnie is also another VERY familiar poster. A three for one!
Originally Posted By fkurucz If Pal of Minnie is sock puppet, so be it. If our employers are allowed to import foreigners to replace us with (in the few jobs that can't be offshored) then what is the purpose and value of being a citizen? Or are we all supposed to enlist and fight the multinational's wars?
Originally Posted By Pal of Minnie Mr X-you have accused many people in the past of double posting and have been called on it many times now. Either add something to the OT or stay off the topic because you are just being wait for it...... A TROLL!
Originally Posted By ecdc The green card problem is the least of our worries. Offshoring of jobs is the issue. If you want jobs to stay in the United States, I hope you've never checked the R box on a ballot.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 >>Do you really think America can realistically close our borders to imports and not start a war?<< Why not? Everybody else does.>> In the West? What western, 1st world countries don't import all their goods from other countries? Does anyone on here really think we can somehow stop importing from China, realistically? How would that even happen without causing the price of all those goods and services from skyrocketing? I'm as much against offshoring as the next guy, but I just think we are way to far down the road to turn back. Our only real solution will be to come up with jobs and industries that are uniquely American, and require American workers to make. We can't realistically turn back the clock and return the old lost jobs to this country, but that doesn't mean that we can't work to develop new jobs to do here.
Originally Posted By ecdc That is the issue. It's easy to complain about jobs, but what do you do when someone somewhere else will do the same thing for a fraction of the cost? And again, it's not like HP and Delta are flying in Indians to the United States; they're offshoring jobs to places without minimum wage restrictions where they can do everything cheaper. This has nothing to do with closing our borders. Americans have some choices to make. Right now we want high paying jobs, profitable companies, high quality, safe products, but very inexpensive to actually buy. Oh, and we don't want government to regulate these companies, but we blame government when they don't keep jobs in our borders, and we blame them when companies cut corners, but we want low taxes so they can't have the revenue to regulate.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 You can't stop companies from moving overseas but we can make it a hell of a lot harder to do it...why do companies shipping jobs to other countries get huge tax breaks for doing so? I say if an American company wants to go overseas we eliminate every tax break they get and add a couple more taxes so that the cheap labor overseas really doesn't save them a whole lot of money. Maybe then they will stick around.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Mr X-you have accused many people in the past of double posting and have been called on it many times now*** Yes, the sock puppets always call me out and get upset about it. lmao.
