Originally Posted By RoadTrip PLEASE produce a post where I ever supported a racist belief. There has never been one.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "A sustained pattern over months becomes more than that." Still anecdotal. Humans see patterns in everything. Especially when they are reporters looking for a narrative. And it's even worse when they are political reporters. I'm not even sure you've established a "sustained pattern". "I didn't SAY 'strong support,' so drop that strawman. I said some overlap." What is some overlap? 1 voter? 10? 1%? 5%? I'd be surprised if it was more than 5%. I guess 1 person constitutes overlap. I won't argue with that. "You know very well (I think) that that's not what's being polled." So you have nothing basically except people who have talked to some people.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Hey skinnner and ecdc... I don't really mind that you are fricking extremists. I'm used to that. I DO MIND that you make posts lying about me. Show me the fricking racist posts or apologize. I don't really care what you choose.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "So you have nothing basically except people who have talked to some people." I have a myriad of professionals in this field who have talked to hundreds of people over many months. And yes, they see this pattern. Which is a whole lot more than you have, which is basically "it doesn't seem logical to me, therefore it can't be true."
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I want to see a racist comment I've made. Put up or shut up.<< I never said you made racist comments, so chill out and quit obfuscating. What I said is 100% true: you make outlandish personal comments about Skinner because she says things about white men. You do not come anywhere near the same level of vitriol when others make racist comments on this site. It's that simple--you accused her of being a blight on this site when you have never, ever said anything like that about other people who say incredibly racist things about blacks and Muslims. If you'd like to show me where you've called out others and called them a blight on this site and the reason its dying because of their racist comments, I will gladly apologize for being wrong.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 RT, to be fair to SB and ecdc, I don't think they said that you had racist posts. Unless I missed something. I think they said that other people here have in the past posted racist things, which is undeniably true, and that they weren't always responded to the way you responded to Skinner's criticism of white men. And to be fair to you, RT, I don't think that the lack of commentary in all cases indicates assent. I know sometimes I would read one of those racist posts and respond, and other times I would just roll my eyes.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Now that you posted, ecdc, I will say that I don't remember anything from RT's posts over many years now that indicated he was a racist or sympathetic to that either. Maybe he simply rolled his eyes every time. I do remember him more than once criticizing the politics of his new southern Missouri Neighbors compared to his old environment in Minnesota. Maybe that's specifically included the racism he sees there, or maybe not. I just don't remember.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox You are not wrong, ecdc. RT suffers from Skinner Derangement Syndrome. He never calls out others on their incendiary comments. EVER. And it's been that way for a very, very long time. FWIW... I haven't been regularly posting in the past year like I used to, many years ago. I tend to pop in for a bit, then disappear for weeks at a time. How the heck could I possibly cause this site to be "dying" when others here post far more often than I do? Short answer: I can't. I'm just not that effectual. Own it, RT. You've got Skinner Derangement Syndrome. BAD.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I don't remember anything from RT's posts over many years now that indicated he was a racist or sympathetic to that either.<< Nor do I and that's not what I'm saying. What I am pointing out, and nothing more, is the hypocrisy of lashing out in such a personal way at one poster over what he perceives as her outlandish comments about white men, while not lashing out at others over their racist comments. I think Mr. X's and RT's comments about Skinner are over the line. We have people come on these boards and say absolutely appalling things about black Americans and Muslim Americans. But god forbid you say something about white men.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I think Mr. X's and RT's comments about Skinner are over the line.*** Okay, since you've brought my name up, what did *I* say that was over the line? That her sexist comments were stupid? Sorry, but they were. When she trots out her nonsense, all of which boils down to "White Males Bad!", she deserves to be called on it — just the same as the morons who spout similar garbage like "Down with Islam!" or "Mexicans are rapists!". To imply that optimistic liberal types who go for Sanders (and who, by and large, SUPPORT civil rights and equality just as much as Skinner does) are angry, entitled and pining for the days of Jim Crow is just plain stupid, and I said so. Now as far as MY record for calling out bigoted crap of *all* kinds, I'm pretty sure you could find plenty of examples (I imagine there are some out there in support of RT too).
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <What I am pointing out, and nothing more, is the hypocrisy of lashing out in such a personal way at one poster over what he perceives as her outlandish comments about white men, while not lashing out at others over their racist comments. > I get that. But I also think that silence doesn't necessarily signal assent, and particularly these days when we don't have any habitual racist posters; just trolls who pop in occasionally, really, and for whom the best response probably IS silence, or at least a simple "DFTT." And I'm certainly not sure that RT never criticized Beau or the other real "winners" we had here back in the day. I hate to see bad blood here, and clearly there is that between skinnerbox and RT, two people whose posts I have both enjoyed over the years (and sometimes criticized - gently I hope - as well).
Originally Posted By ecdc Look, I like and appreciate both you and RT. But my memory is that in the last year or two we've had regular posters come to these boards and call Black Lives Matter protestors cop killers, we've had them lecture "the black community," call them too afraid to speak out for their community, call black men terrible fathers, and we've had posters call Muslims horrible and terrorists. I certainly do not recall a response from you, RT, or most anyone else anywhere near the same level of response you've had to Skinner. So why call out Skinner w/ such intensity and ignore these numerous other racist statements or at least not respond with the same objections? If Skinner's a bigot for what she says about white men, then certainly others are bigots for their comments about Muslims and African Americans, no? Have others been called out as bigots? If my memory is incorrect, I absolutely apologize to both of you.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>silence doesn't necessarily signal assent<< I completely get that. My issue isn't with a failure to call others out (I certainly don't every time) but with the vitriolic response to Skinner. They roll their eyes at racist comments against blacks and Muslims; they scream bloody murder at comments against white men. That's what I'm seeing here. The bottom line is if they don't like Skinner's comments, they can easily ignore them. That said, I'm sure this conversation has gone on long enough. I didn't mean to derail the thread. I was genuinely shocked at the responses and what I saw as a blatant double-standard loomed large in my mind. Like I said, if my perception is wrong, I absolutely apologize.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I have a myriad of professionals in this field who have talked to hundreds of people over many months. And yes, they see this pattern." You don't have a "myriad", You barely have aa handful. Of reporters looking for a narrative to get eyeballs. What you don't have is any actual data. "Which is a whole lot more than you have, which is basically 'it doesn't seem logical to me, therefore it can't be true'" Well, kind of. It's more that it doesn't seem logical to anyone. You've made a pretty extraordinary claim. You need to come up with seem hard evidence to back it up. Not a few reporters who have talked to a few people and are probably suffering from confirmation bias in their reporting. It's just not very convincing. Even if these "professionals" really are sincere, humans are too good at seeing patterns where none exists. And when people think they see a pattern, they start to see it everywhere. Doesn't mean it's really there. And when this pattern helps to sell you paper or website, it gets worse. So, yeah, your evidence is thin.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I respond to skinner because although I think she's a far-left wacko, she is a serious poster. And why shouldn't I? When I am continually called out for being a white male... two things I have absolutely no control over. I don't respond to the racist remarks of various trolls and their sock puppets because I don't take them seriously and believe in DNFTT.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Like I said, if my perception is wrong, I absolutely apologize.> I'm not saying it is. I guess I just have regarded the bigoted commentators here in the last year or so as nothing more than trolls and pretty much dismissed them instantly, which many others may have also, feeling no need to call them out. That said, I do think RT's comments to SB were over the top, but I chalked that up to longstanding personal distaste between the two of them, and not any sort of insight into RT's soul, if you know what I'm saying.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip By the way... just recently I strongly disagreed with mrkthompson's statement that the board has gone downhill because of the gay people here and their strident tone.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Just a reminder... <<It all went downhill when the gays entered the conversations. They're always hyper-dramatic about everything.>> <<If you are thinking about the two people that I am thinking about, they tend to be hyper-dramatic because they are ultra-liberal. Being gay has absolutely nothing to do with it. Your comment said volumes about you, but very little about anyone else.>>
