Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I blame John McCain for inflicted Palin on this country. I blame Mark Burnett for foisting Trump on us.
Originally Posted By Spree >>>The only examples you've come up with of Obama's were about fundraising, getting out to vote, and being ticked off about bankers who ruined the economy for everyone and still got big bonuses (and how we channel that "in a constructive way" - not calling for violence in any way). So all your examples are bogus and instantly debunked.<<< So, in other words if you agree with the message behind the rhetoric, it's ok? Look, some of the bombastic statements Trump has spoken could be over the line. But if you're moving the line back and forth to suit your own needs when it comes to people you support vs those you do not how can you expect everyone to get worked up over it? Hypocrisy does not make a strong foundation.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <So, in other words if you agree with the message behind the rhetoric, it's ok?> No. It's got nothing to do with that. How you got that from someone laying out the context of Obama's remarks is mystifying, unless you're intentionally trying to misunderstand. Which would put you in troll territory. But in case you're sincere, here goes again. It's got to do with the fact that Obama was not advocating violence. I don't care what your radio is telling you. The two are not equivalent, and you don't look very intelligent insisting that they are. It makes you look like you don't understand the concept of "context" at all, or are willfully overlooking it. <Hypocrisy does not make a strong foundation. > Physician, heal thyself.
Originally Posted By Spree Person A says X Person B says X Person C says person A is bad because he said X but rationalized Person B's saying it because of N, Y and Z. Person D is either a troll or a moron for pointing this out?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 No. Person A said X. Person B said Y. You come along and say that X=Y. What Trump and Obama said was not the same. In context, they're not even close to being the same. I don't know if you actually don't see this, or are just being obtuse.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Options: A) He doesn't actually see this. B) He is just being obtuse. C) He is just being a troll. My money is on C).
Originally Posted By ecdc >>No. Person A said X. Person B said Y. You come along and say that X=Y.<< QFT. Equating these statements is bonkers and at some point it's difficult not to conclude that it's a willful distortion of what Obama has said.
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I can't believe that 45 years ago I actually understood that. "Ah, but I was so much older then I’m younger than that now"
Originally Posted By Spree >>>You come along and say that X=Y.<<< Not really. I am the one saying X = X. You're the one saying X is only X when X is being spoken by someone you don't like(I know you're not actually saying that, but it is what is looks like to me) Rationalized by a buffet of excuses from where X was being said to who it was being said to. Anyway, in order to avoid being the target of another round of name calling I'll concede that what Obama said and what Trump said were not, strictly speaking, the exact same thing..and I'll even go one further and say that some of Trumps statements were worse.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 >>>You come along and say that X=Y.<<< <Not really. I am the one saying X = X.> Well, no. You're equating two things that are not the same. That's saying X=Y. <You're the one saying X is only X when X is being spoken by someone you don't like(I know you're not actually saying that, but it is what is looks like to me)> Then you're wrong. If Bernie Sanders had said, when he was interrupted at his rally (which has happened several times), "I'd like to punch him in the face," then I'd criticize that too. But he didn't. ONLY Trump has done that. < Rationalized by a buffet of excuses from where X was being said to who it was being said to.> Context matters. That's really basic-level stuff. When a baseball coach says "last time these guys murdered us. This time we're gonna murder them!" he is not saying these things literally. Nor was Obama, except when he talked about channeling anger in constructive way, which is, you know, a good thing. Trump was speaking literally, and some of his followers are taking him up on it. <Anyway, in order to avoid being the target of another round of name calling I'll concede that what Obama said and what Trump said were not, strictly speaking, the exact same thing..and I'll even go one further and say that some of Trumps statements were worse.> That's a start.
