Originally Posted By mawnck Agree with everything FerretAfros said, including the Brer Rabbit thing. I did some googling, and while it's not exactly the same, it's close enough to look intentional. Exhibit A (surprisingly hard to find shots in this outfit): <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/18/4a/f4/184af4fc432afce5f68f340c8ee65db4.jpg">http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinim...5db4.jpg</a> Exhibit B: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXlxFfBWEAABE02.jpg">http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXl...BE02.jpg</a> Exhibit C: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-content/uploads/brerrabbit.jpg">http://www.cartoonbrew.com/wp-...bbit.jpg</a> My biggest complaint: WAY too much Gazelle. I was thoroughly sick of her and that song well before the 15 minute dance version on the credits. Nothing against the character, other than she didn't need to be in that much of the movie.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros ^^I agree about Gazelle. It seemed like she was constantly included because of a contractual requirement than because it had anything to do with the story. Like a real pop diva, there just wasn't any depth to the character and there was no reason to care about what she had to say
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Potential spoilers: Did they ever explain *why* the people in the lab were making the animals go savage? They obviously spent a lot of time explaining how it happened and how they all reacted to it, but I don't remember there being an explanation of why it was being done END SPOILER
Originally Posted By mawnck SPOILER She wanted the predators out of the picture so Zootopia would be exclusively for the prey. So, make them go wild and gin up the prey majority's prejudice against them. /SPOILER As evil plans go, it wasn't the best - sort of a forced plot point in service to the Movie Message. I've seen far worse though.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I increasingly find that in most films 3D adds little other than ticket price. Is it worth it for Zootopia?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros With all the furry characters, the 3D really does a nice job of brining out the texture in the film. The Zootopia welcome montage looks great in 3D as well. But the movie itself is basically a buddy cop film; there really aren't enough big splashy sequences to say that it makes a huge difference (though it is very well done)
Originally Posted By dagobert I'm still not sure if I'm going to watch it in the cinemas. The movie looks good, but I'm sick and tired of 3D and for people who have to work there isn't even the possibility to watch it in 2D, because the only 2D showing is in the afternoon during weekdays. And apparently it's not offered in English, I hate Disney Germany with their German celebrity voices. Instead of using professionals for dubbing, they get celebrities and it just sounds wrong and stupid.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <And apparently it's not offered in English, I hate Disney Germany with their German celebrity voices. Instead of using professionals for dubbing, they get celebrities and it just sounds wrong and stupid.> LOL!
Originally Posted By dagobert I guess I was a bit overhasty, because the dubbed version seems to be okay, however they are using just one celebrity and he really isn't one. He is just a former ski racer. The reason why I'm a bit angry about the celebrity voices is, because Disney Germany already ruined Toy Story 3 when they changed the voice of Woody to use a celebrity. Since then we only watch Disney animated movies in English in the cinemas or skip them.
Originally Posted By dagobert Documentary about the Making Of Zootopia. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3pF9owYlRI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...F9owYlRI</a> This movie turned out to be a huge hit for Disney. Honestly I didn't expect that.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I'm also surprised how popular it is. Although I enjoyed it, and it certainly has a timely message, I didn't think it was a classic. I know there are people who love it (as with nearly all animated films), but I wonder how much of the success came from the additional cost of 3D tickets, and how much of it was purely the large audience size. My (3D) ticket cost nearly double what I typically pay for movies, so I have to think that was a factor
Originally Posted By dagobert I haven't seen Zoomania, as it is called over here, yet, and I will not see it in the cinema, because I've missed the English version. >>> I wonder how much of the success came from the additional cost of 3D tickets, and how much of it was purely the large audience size. My (3D) ticket cost nearly double what I typically pay for movies, so I have to think that was a factor<<< If you take that into consideration, then you have to do that with every movie. Over here the prices for all movies are basically the same. However, the movie is surpassing 800 mio Dollars in the worldwide box office, so it can't be denied that it is a huge success and a beloved movie. China even granted the movie an extension for two more weeks. That almost never happens to Hollywood movies.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I wonder how much of the success came from the additional cost of 3D tickets<< On the contrary ... 3D isn't nearly the draw that it was 7 or 8 years ago. One COULD argue that much of this is momentum from the last few Disney mega-successes. Or the result of a positively brilliant marketing campaign. (I've viciously dissed the marketeers in the past, but they really got it together on this one!) But it IS a very good movie.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead I saw this second weekend, and when the DMV scene started the audience was audibly excited...when an audience is stoked to see a scene they've seen (almost in its entirety) on endless loops elsewhere, you KNOW the marketing has worked. The success of this movie is nuts, but it shouldn't be all that shocking. It does what Disney does well - a cute furry animal movie. But it also does what Disney NEVER does well - a message movie. It's a fluffy bunny movie giving a sly wink at race relations. Everyone wins. I think that momentum is definitely playing a key role here. There is that feeling right now that "you can't go wrong with Disney." But there's no denying that there's a big audience going because it's a typical Disney movie, with another big audience going because it's NOT a typical Disney movie. And in the end, it's easy to sell a good product.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>But it also does what Disney NEVER does well - a message movie.<< I'd argue that's exactly what Disney is best at. Although they love to fill their marketing with tons of "dreams come true" crap, the best movies have always had a little something more beneath the surface. Sure, there are lots of bland magic/wishes/dreams movies (particularly with the overhyped-princesses...I'll never understand Cinderella's popularity), but the ones that really stick with you are the ones that have broader themes beneath the surface. Everything from Pinocchio to Mary Poppins to Hunchback has a deeper meaning if you look at the broad themes presented. Fairy tales have always been about teaching a moral; Disney is just the modern version of that But yes, it is easy to sell a good product. I'm sure the modern-ish setting also helped attract an audience that doesn't always see Disney movies, since it seemed to break their mold a little more
I finally got around to seeing it a couple of weeks ago (and am finally navigating the new boards). I couldn't help notice some interesting parallels between the story and the current political campaign. Or am I imagining things? Socrates "Hate always wins."
