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  1. EighthDwarf

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    So I was In Italy visiting family and a frequent topic of conversation was Trump. They called him "il pazzo" (the madman) matter-of-factly. I challenged them a couple of times, asking them why they referred to him as such, and they were taken aback. Everyone says he's nuts, they said. Sadly, so are the people that support him, I said. And there are a lot of them in America unfortunately.

    Side note: there is a growing sense from Washington insiders that he is throwing the election on purpose. The latest evidence is that he didn't dedicate a lot of effort to attacking Hillary on the latest e-mail revelations while focusing on Obama's middle name and Obama "literally" founding ISIS. His ground game and organization is pathetic, and it's not getting better -- despite the increased fundraising. Just about anybody could've beat Hillary this year, it's telling the Republicans happened to choose the one person that has no chance.
     
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    I've been saying that for months now. Never, in the history of US politics has anyone worked so hard at losing an election then Cinnamon Hitler. He has made his own previous predictions true when he said that he could shoot somebody and the sheepeople would still vote for him. Doesn't say much for the intellectual level of this country I'm afraid. Whomever gets elected needs to pump a whole lot more money into education. The attacks on Obama are puzzling to me as well. Didn't anyone tell him that Obama will be out of office in January and that he isn't even running for any office? I guess Orange man was just angry because Obama said something mean about him, poor tender baby.
     
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    So Giulani said before Obama there were no successful attacks by radical Islamists on US soil

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    Of all the things that have happened during this election process I think the saddest thing is Giuliani. I had a lot of respect for him and his handling of 9/11 back in 2001. I can't help but wonder how he has forgotten that happened and what year it was. Unless, without my noticing it, Obama has been President for the last 15+ years. You'd think I would have noticed that.

    Anyway, something is very wrong with him. I don't know what but that isn't the voice of strength and sense that took care of things back then.
     
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    As a New Yorker I always felt Giuliani got way too much credit for his handling of 9/11. I think he was okay for about 2 weeks. I wasn't a fan of his, but I gave him props for those 2 weeks. And that's when most of the rest of the country saw him.

    But then he went back to being who he was. By October he was saying that November's election should be suspended (!) because surely only he could lead the city at this moment of crisis. Luckily, Bloomberg wasn't having it and told him to pound sand. And of course, January came, Bloomberg took over, and (shock!), NY did just fine. (Better, in fact.) But it was shades of "only I can fix it" and after a couple of weeks of thinking maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought he was, I remembered "Oh, yeah. He really is that bad."

    Giuliani capitalized on those weeks in the spotlight to try to launch a later political career, and even successfully convinced people he was some kind of "national security expert," even though he wasn't, and still isn't. He also bears responsibility for terrible decisions that added to the tragedy - refusing to fund improvements in the FDNY's communications equipment for years (which almost certainly led to more firemen dying on 9/11), and insisting on locating NYC's emergency crisis center AT the World Trade Center, even though it had been bombed once before in '94 and was an obvious target.

    But yeah - bad as he has been over the years, he's just gotten worse. Over the years he's still turned up on local NY media quite a bit, and we've seen the slide over time. And now he looks positively unhinged. So I can understand someone who hasn't seen him much over the years seeing him recently and thinking "what the hell happened to that guy?"
     
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    Well, why should he? He knows more about ISIS than the generals do. He told us so.
     

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