Should've Taken the Oil

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  1. Mr. X

    Mr. X Active Member

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    Maybe we'll have another chance...



    This guy's a lunatic, folks. Seriously.
     
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    Trump is ethically wrong on that. We are not ethically allowed to take that country's resources. Now if that country attacked us then we should have stripped it of everything. We were the aggressors so we had no liscence.
     
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    You don't have to convince me. For those who said to wait and see............well, we are seeing. I did not think it would take long.
     
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    What is the most dangerous is that Clumphead actually believes that the world is afraid of him and that he can do anything he wants by just talking tough and they will all fold their tents and go home. Honest... he really believes that. He would never sacrifice his own life for any cause what so ever. He not only doesn't understand that type of resolve, he thinks that if he threatens to kill them, they will run in fear. Those folks flying the planes into the twin towers, didn't run in fear did they and they couldn't get any more dead. The more he acts like the ass-hat that he is the more resolve they will have. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe that fool.

    Conservatives please wake the hell up. Your cause won't be helped by getting us all killed, including you. This man is dangerous and if Congress doesn't act upon it soon we all should be blaming them because he cannot do anything without their approval. Right now they have their lips crazy glued to his butt. Useless, weak, impotent bunch of people that only think they have power, when unless they do what they are getting paid for have no power at all. They will wag their tails and hope that our new dictator rewards them for loyalty.

    To be clear here, countries with solid intelligent leadership are not going to do anything, because, frankly, they are afraid of the crazy person. On the other hand, they weren't planning on doing anything anyway. However, extremist only see him as motivation and justification that they are right. It is really very simple.
     
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    I have to admit that my fear of a terrorist attack went up several-fold with Trump's inauguration.

    Several reasons: a). new administrations are always tested early on; b). Trump is basically a walking, talking recruitment poster for ISIS - they were unquestionably rooting for him to win, because they can woo recruits (and indeed, have already been doing so) by saying "See? This guy hates Muslims. And the American people voted him in; therefore they hate Muslims. It's us against them, just like we've always said." This encourages lone-wolf attacks too; c). They don't even have their national security team in place yet. I'm not talking about the relative handful of people who need to be confirmed by the Senate. I'm talking about people they could just name and it would be done. But they simply haven't bothered to do so yet.

    Trump’s National Security Team Is Missing in Action

    "President-elect Donald Trump will enter the White House Friday with most national security positions still vacant, after a disorganized transition that has stunned and disheartened career government officials.

    Instead of hitting the ground running, the Trump team emerged from the election ill-prepared for the daunting task of assembling a new administration and has yet to fill an array of crucial top jobs overseeing the country’s national security and diplomacy, fueling uncertainty across the federal government.

    The positions still to be filled include senior management and policy posts that oversee diplomacy, military budgets, nuclear weapons, counterterrorism, and media relations, said Obama administration officials, congressional staffers and people familiar with the transition.

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    The Trump team has either failed to fill key jobs or put forward people who lack the experience or appropriate expertise to do the job. More than one administration official called the transition effort “anemic.” Previous administrations, including Barack Obama’s and George W. Bush’s, were much further along this close to the inauguration.

    The troubled transition has stunned career civil servants and former officials who say no previous administration in recent decades has proceeded in such an incoherent way."

    So yeah, I'm a little disturbed by that. Especially since I happen to live in the city that still has the biggest target on its back - perhaps more than ever, now that it's the President's home town.

    I'm further worried that, should it happen, it becomes the excuse Trump needs to trample civil liberties under the guise of "emergency." Perhaps just for Muslims... perhaps not.

    WE need to be prepared for that.
     
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    Unlike, Goofyernmost, I don't think the crazy man will scare countries with good intelligence into inaction, no, I believe those powers are coming up with contingencies to deal with the US problem. I thought Brexit might rip the EU apart, but I think the Trump problem, will force them to stick together, although it might make for some strange bedfellows elsewhere. Russia + US will not be allowed to go unchallenged, if the other powers have any sense of self-preservation, which of course they do. I've never been concerned that China was the danger others feared, because our economies were too inter-twined. However, Trump is in the process of starting a global trade war so China doesn't have to worry about upsetting that apple cart, because it's getting knocked over regardless. China is smart, tactical, restrained and ruthless, and when your choice is work with the insane US saddled up with Putin, China starts looking a lot more like the grown up in the room, as far as the rest of the world is concerned. They're not, but it won't be like the US is giving them a reasonable, alternative. An unholy alliance of the sort of how the Allies were stuck with Stalin.

    The world has been wanting to put the US back in its place for awhile between destabilizing the Middle East, the global financial crisis, ignoring climate change, etc. But reasonable minds would have feared the disruptions that would result from unwinding the US Gordian Knot. But Trump is so inept and ignorant about global ramifications; caught up in his alternate facts, that there is a great chance that all those bad things are coming anyway. There is a point in every dysfunctional relationship where one side realizes that the crazy they have every day is more damaging than what they fear will happen. There will be a point where continuing to try to defer to the US will be more damaging, then proceeding without the US. They will leave us on our giant island, twisting in the wind, while they accept the realities of the 21st Century.
     

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