Originally Posted By Y Tywysog Disney The film formerly known as Rapunzel, will be a lot of firsts. It is Disney's first CGI fairy tale It is the first CGI musical It is the first film directly based on a classic fairy tale (not including TPATF) to have a title change It looks like this will also be the first Disney "Princess" film based on a classic fairy tale to have a PG rating. Not that the PG rating is a big deal anymore, the G rating is so rare today even in family films that PG pretty much has the same status as G... just a little less innocent
Originally Posted By Y Tywysog Disney "It is the first film directly based on a classic fairy tale (not including TPATF) to have a title change" - By first film I meant the first Disney Animated film
Originally Posted By mawnck When the rumors were claiming the movie had landed a G, I was perplexed. There's some stuff in there (and I won't spoil it here) that would probably not sit well with the youngest viewers. Or more accurately, their overprotective parents. A PG makes more sense.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Perhaps, now, The Black Cauldron would seem more worthy of a 'G' rating, compared to whatever it is that Rapunzel's been up to.
Originally Posted By mawnck By the way ... >>It is the first CGI musical<< I believe Roadside Romeo and the two Veggie Tales features beg to differ. If you want to get technical about it, so do Shrek, Happy Feet, The Polar Express, and Sita Sings the Blues. If you were speaking of only Disney Feature Animation USA, then I withdraw the objection, but that makes it a less impressive first. There really haven't been very many fairy tale/princess movies or Disney CGI features. I mean, it's also the first Disney feature to have a horse named Maximus, or to have a title that's an adjective, or to feature a cameo appearance by Haruhi Suzumiya. Oops ... I've said too much. ;-)
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Perhaps, now, The Black Cauldron would seem more worthy of a 'G' rating, compared to whatever it is that Rapunzel's been up to.<< Naaah. The Black Cauldron's worse. I suspect that some, if not most, of the prewar and wartime features would get a PG if submitted today. Fantasia might even rate a PG-13. There's full frontal in Night on Bald Mountain.
Originally Posted By Y Tywysog Disney Yeah, when I said the first CGI musical, I was referring to "Broadway-style" musical... but I was going by what I read on other articles by people who worked on the film. Yeah, there actually are a lot of G-rated Disney films that have more than they should. The 1951 Alice in Wonderland is rated G, despite having a smoking caterpillar, and we all know that if a film is released today with a smoking caterpillar it's an automatic PG. Pinocchio would probably be rated PG, if released today considering the themes (smoking, drinking, all involving minors and the horror of turning into donkeys) Even some of the animated films from the '90s have questionable content for G-movies, Hercules, Mulan and Tarzan all have fighting scenes, that really showed as much as they could for being G-rated.
Originally Posted By mawnck Tangled's PG is for "brief mild violence." I wouldn't consider it all that mild, but I don't tend to patronize mad slasher movies so what do I know? Trivia - Disney's "Treasure Island," originally released in 1950 before the ratings were established, then shown uncut on the Disney television series (twice), had to have cuts made when it was reissued theatrically in 1975 to avoid a PG. Worth noting that there was no PG-13 at the time and no "helpful" comments as to the troublesome content, so it could be tough telling how bad the movie was without seeing it. Many parents, mine included, just wouldn't take their kid to see PG. Then along came Star Wars. (The Black Cauldron had a couple scenes cut to avoid an R!)
Originally Posted By dl1956 Perhaps the PG rating is a calculated move on the part of the WDC to lessen the stigma of Tangled being judged by the general public to be "just another" little girls' Princess movie, much as the 1970's Disney movies were judged to be "uncool" back then. Anyway, bottom line, the WDC has to go with the flow of the marketplace.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <much as the 1970's Disney movies were judged to be "uncool" back then.> You know why they were judged 'uncool' back then? Because they WERE!!!!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Perhaps the PG rating is a calculated move on the part of the WDC<< No, it's legit. The PG part is integral to the plot. Without it, Tangled would be a much lesser movie.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Any word if the WDC is appealing to have the rating changed?<< Highly unlikely. I'm sure they knew going in that the scene in question was an automatic PG. No basis for an appeal, and I don't know how they could tame it down without ruining everything. It's a fairy tale. Stuff happens. You'll see what I'm talking about when you see the movie (or read about it in one of the many spoiler-iffic Tangled story and picture books that are starting to show up everywhere).
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "Any word if the WDC is appealing to have the rating changed?" << Disney also seems to have fairly little concern about PG ratings on their animated films now. "Lilo & Stitch", "Dinosaur", "Home On the Range", "The Incredibles", "Atlantis", "Treasure Planet", "Bolt", and "Up" have all been PG rated in recent years. -Jeff
Originally Posted By SFH There was a time when Disney kept animation AND live action "G". Going ahead with a "PG" movie (it was live action) was a big deal. Ah yes... I remember when PG-13 was added. I think "Gremlins" was what really created a "need" for it.
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "There was a time when Disney kept animation AND live action "G". Going ahead with a "PG" movie (it was live action) was a big deal." << Of course that is true, but the definition of the ratings have also shifted considerably, particularly since the introduction of PG-13 back in 1984, perhaps not coincidentally, less than a year before "The Black Cauldron" became Disney's first PG rated animated feature. Many films that would have been G rated in the 70s and early 80s are PG rated now. Similarly, many films that would have been PG back then are PG-13 or even R today. It is sometimes surprising to realize that movies like "2001: A Space Odyssey" and the first "Star Trek" movie were G-rated or that movies like "Jaws", "Poltergeist", the first two Indiana Jones films, and all the early James Bond movies were only PG. -Jeff
Originally Posted By mawnck Looks like somebody is getting story ideas from the LP boards! ;-) <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-mendelson/what-does-a-cartoon-have_b_767257.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...257.html</a>
Originally Posted By DAR mawnck, do you have any idea what the budget for Tangled is? Rumor has it it's approaching the 250 million mark but that can't be right.
