Originally Posted By mstaft Could this happen? Could the plans of the city stop Disney from using the rumored $1.2 Billion for improving DCA? I think Disney will go ahead. Any confirmations out there one way or the other?
Originally Posted By WorldDisney NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Please Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, whoever is in charge up there, PLEASE make sure this goes through.....pleeaaaaaasssse!! Have no idea this could happen and hopefully not, but you just ruined my day mstaft with that sick thought in my head now. *WorldDisney goes off and sobs aimlessly*
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I really doubt that they will stop the work being done. The only real control taht the city has is issuing building permits and zoning stuff. Since they will be using theme park space for theme park stuff, the zoning won't be an issue. In theory the only problem they could run across is getting buildign permits, but I don't think I've ever heard of one not being granted (at least assuming the proposed building was going to be structurally sound).
Originally Posted By mstaft What I mean is, if the city stops the plans for theme park zoning for gate 3, would Disney just say "screw it" to adding the changes and theming to DCA? Not that the city would gain anything.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer OK, there is a MAJOR issue in ballot iniativeitves and the city of Anaheim, and Sun-Cal. But this shouldn't effect DCA, yes, Disney will need building permits, but nobody is really fighting the current location. On the other hand, the site for the third park, aka the Strawberry Field has a battle coming up. I am going to be lazy and copy a post I made on another baord... OK, Why haven't I seen this thread earlier. I have read the "proposed" AVE (aka Anaheim Voter Empowerment Initiative) and there is a very sneaky "loophole" in it... <a href="http://www.anaheim.net/docs_agend/questys_pub/MG16836/AS16875/AS16879/AI18577/DO18580/1.PDF" target="_blank">http://www.anaheim.net/docs_ag end/questys_pub/MG16836/AS16875/AS16879/AI18577/DO18580/1.PDF</a> Section 13 (Page 19) says that if this measure gets more votes than an "competing initiative" on the same ballot, even though BOTH get more than 50%, the other initiative is declared VOID. But on the other hand, if the "competing initiative" gets over 50% and has more votes than "AVE", AVE is still valid, though the other initiative wording has priority. So far, we have had one Referendum passed, that is to overturn the specific "Mobile Home" property land that was rezoned by the City Council. If the referendum passes, then the SunCal project is dead for at least a year. The council placed the measure on the June 8th, 2008 ballot. Then SOAR (Save Our Anaheim Resort, basically Disney and the other businesses in the Resort Area) submitted over 31,000 signatures for an Initiative that requires voters to approve any change in zoning in the Anaheim Resort Area that is not a current approved use (Commercial and Tourism uses). It is expected to be approved and also placed on the June 8th, 2008 ballot. SOAR (basically mostly Disney money) spent a lot of time and effort to get these 2 measures on the ballot. Now SunCal wants to add this third measure on the same ballot (June 8th) as a way to confuse voters, and hopefully sneak in the "back door" by getting more folks to vote for AVE than the SOAR "resort zone" initiative. IMHO, if the council places this measure on the ballot without requiring CDPA (Committee to Protect and Defend Anaheim, basically the SunCal funded group) to get signatures, it is giving a "in-kind" political donation to SunCal as they will save Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars in costs to get the needed signatures. It also will be timed to place the AVE initiative on the same ballot (June 8th) which will allow the "competing initiative" clause to come into play. If SunCal/CDPA had to get signatures, there is a decent chance they couldn't get enough signatures, or not get them in time to be placed on the June 8th ballot. I also watched the September 25th Anaheim City Council Meeting. Plain and Simple, I agree with the Mayor, this action is just a "Punitive, Retaliatory Move". Under the current rules, The "Strawberry Field" is zoned for parking and farming. If Disney wants to build another park and/or hotel here, they would have to present a project and have the zoning commission approve the project. (And FYI, the zoning commission did NOT approve the SunCal project, it had to be appealed to the City Council to get approval). There are already plenty of checks and balances, and AVE is just plain STUPID! As for the SunCal project, they asked the City Council to overturn the decision, then Disney, with help from SOAR, asked the voters to place a measure on the ballot to overturn the city council's decision. All in line with the way our system of government works. But we shall see what happens, a LOT of money will be spent by both sides (maybe not so much by SunCal due to the change in the Housing situation), but SunCal really doesn't build, they do the "dirty" work and get the zoning and other governmental issues settled, then sell off the rights to a builder. But if you can take a 22 acre piece of land (actually more than that, but 22 acres is about the available building space) from around $2 Million an acre for commercial and then sell it at $5 million due to the fact it is residential, that is a BIG profit! But I think when all is said and done, SOAR/Disney will get the votes to pass its measures, and the AVE/SunCal measure will get LESS votes, so it won't matter, except for all the mud slinging that will happen before the election from both sides. Then the pro-SunCal council members will have a very tough fight for re-election, as SOAR finds candidates that will run against folks like Ms. Galloway and will support them in the next election. And SunCal will be long gone and not help her in any significant way.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.soaranaheim.com/" target="_blank">http://www.soaranaheim.com/</a> >>The SOAR Coalition has submitted 50,000 signatures from Anaheim residents who have demanded preservation of the Anaheim Resort District. Incredibly, three members of the Anaheim City Council — members Kring, Galloway and Hernandez — haven’t gotten the message. In fact, they are now considering placing an ANTI–RESORT DISTRICT initiative on the June, 2008 ballot! The council’s proposal – being pushed by Councilwoman Lucille Kring — would make it even harder for Anaheim’s tourism businesses to expand. At a time when Garden Grove, Santa Ana, Irvine and other nearby cities are trying to steal away Anaheim’s tourism businesses — Councilwoman Kring and her two colleagues are trying to PREVENT TOURISM BUSINESSES FROM EXPANDING! SOAR needs your continuing help to preserve Anaheim’s economic engine and stop the council and Suncal (the out of town developer) from destroying our Resort District. Join Us for this Important Meeting October 9th at 5 p.m. (City Council meeting) 200 S Anaheim Blvd Anaheim, CA 92805 Personally express your outrage at this attempted backroom deal that would overturn the will of 50,000 Anaheim residents. Also, please call City Hall at (714) 765-5247 or e-mail the city council at sray@anaheim.net to express your outrage at this latest attempt to destroy Anaheim's Resort District.<<
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Also, as far as I know, the new stuff is going to happen in DCA in the next few years (5-10), but there isn't really any talking right now about building a third park. So, there is really almost no point in rezoning it right now. Maybe once they near the end of the DCA improvements, there will be more motion toward another park, but right now it looks like they have plenty on their plate. If they were to rezone the strawberry field right now, how much longer could it be used for farming/parking before they would need to start construction (or possibly the zoning change becomes void)?
Originally Posted By bean The dealings with the city council and the third gate property as well as the 22 acres being fought should not affect any growth at the existing parks. I do suggest that people call and write to the number and e-mail posted and show your support for the resort. Whether you are a resident of Anaheim or not let the city know that the city council should listen to the people. If you are an Anaheim resident it is even more important that you make your words heard
Originally Posted By jmuboy I sware, the people in Anaheim really know how to take their gift horse for granted. They really are an annoying and misguided bunch.
Originally Posted By bean Lets remember that is not the majority of people in Anaheim. It is a few misguided group led by three annoying and misguided council members
Originally Posted By Darkbeer >>I swear, the people in Anaheim really know how to take their gift horse for granted. They really are an annoying and misguided bunch.<< Don't count the voters (aka citizens/registered voters) of Anaheim out. Currently it is just a small part of the City Council and some members of "CDPA", the SunCal group and some union members being told what to say and when and where. I have a strong feeling that when all is said and done in June of 2008, SunCal will be shocked in how badly they lose the election. The voters will speak, and will see through the BS that Ms. Galloway and SunCal/CDPA will talk about in the next months.....
