Originally Posted By pirategirlscully So on Friday we camped out near the Walt and Mickey statue to see the fireworks and afterward, we were sort of stuck in the middle of mass crowds going different directions so we decided to just hang out and let the majority of traffic pass. I witnessed something that I am still in disbelief over. I will describe the scenario using monikers so its easier to follow: Obviously, mass crowds of people moving at snails pace trying to get from one point to wherever. Lady was walking with her son, holding his hand and (to my eye) inadvertently stepped between Stroller Nazi and her Beastly sister. Lady was not directly in front of stroller Nazi, but past her and apparently got directly behind stroller Nazi's sister. Stroller Nazi got really offended by this(apparently she owns all ground she walks on?) and said something then intentionally hit the lady with her stroller! Then the stroller Nazi said something about trying to stay with her sister the leviathan, the lady said, "I'm just trying to (inaudible), DONT hit me with your stroller - (I have a?) child here" So then this woman (leviathan) who was in front of the lady and the kid turns around and tells the lady to move out out of the way... lady with kid is next to the railing and couldn't really go anywhere other than I guess to just stand there and let the wicked sisters pass but then the leviathan says, "Just ram her with the stroller" and the stroller Nazi rams the lady AGAIN, this time hitting her and the kid! Then front sister rams the lady with her butt! (It sounds funny to say it that way but I dont know how else to describe it, she bent over but rammed her butt backward into this lady and her little kid who I would guess was like 5) The lady got pretty mad at that point and said, "OK, You want to get into a fight at Disneyland?" At that point my husband caught glance of the situation and said, "HEY KNOCK IT OFF!" Someone else yelled, "Punch her in the face!" (Which, in my opinion was warranted, although probably not the best idea considering all the kids present) I could not believe it. I have a fairly outspoken personality and had my three children not been with me, I would have most definitely gotten involved but you could tell by their behavior that these were not classy ladies and I figured if I got involved, I might actually end up in a fight. I felt so bad for the lady and her son -I keep thinking about it and kicking myself for not saying something. I wish my husband would have singled out the two nuts because I sure hope that lady didnt think he was yelling at HER to knock it off. Her kid started crying and the lady was trying to console him and Im sure it totally ruined their night. It made ME angry and I just witnessed it. I don't know what I would have done if that had happened to me! I really wish that not only would they have more security at DL but that they would kick people out for aggressive and abusive behavior. I was rather unpleasantly surprised at how rude so many people were... not just that night but just in general, people hitting others with strollers, people cutting in line for character greets, it just riles me to no end because I try to teach my children to be patient and polite but then I see these JERKS acting any way they please and other nice and normal people just putting up and dealing with it all the while the jerks continue to act like uncouth barbarians. OH! I also saw two women exchange words during a parade because one lady put her little kid on her shoulders and the lady behind her (who was holding her kid on her hip at head level) asked lady in front to take the kid down, kid on shoulder lady completely ignored her so lady holding kid at shoulder level moved/squeezed herself right in front of kid on shoulders lady. Now that I thought was pretty funny because kid on shoulders lady didnt know what to do. Then the people behind her said something to her and she ended up just taking off. I kept thinking about the thread here about it and laughed to myself.
Originally Posted By iDisney72 It amazes me at how immature adults can be. Being in a place that makes you feel like a kid again doesn't mean act like one! After reading this, and the topic about kids beating on PUSH, it all makes sense now. If I had been the lady, I would have rammed the stroller into the person pushing it...or at least wanted to! Sorry you had to witness such an event happening, and I'm even more sorry the little kid got affected by it, too. At least your husband got involved and it stopped before a real fight broke out.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Alas, I have seen a few fights at the DLR, but tend not to mention them online, or take photos. Usually, Security handles them very well, but in a crowded location like the Hub right after the fireworks, it is hard to show up quickly....
Originally Posted By Westsider You know who I blame for this? I blame Steven Davidson, the creator of the 50th firworks, and most of the leadership in Disneyland's Entertainment Department. And I'm only half kidding here gang. Why on earth would you create a show from scratch that can only be enjoyed to it's full extent by being in the Hub or the top of Main Street? That is an area that can only hold about 12,000 people when they're packed in like sardines. But the In-Park attendance figures on any average busy night hover around 40,000 to 42,000. That means there are about 30,000 people inside Disneyland who can't get in to the prime viewing area from about 8:45pm onward until show time. So of course you are going to have overcrowding, and mob mentalities, and ordinaryily polite Americans pushed into not so ordinary rude behavior. (And for the minority who are rude and boorish every day of their life, that type of environment just breeds almost inhuman behavior in those lower food chain people.) Disneyland could post a security gaurd every 10 yards, and give them tazers and mace canisters to attack anyone who dares put their child on their shoulders for a better view of the parade. But there would still be boorish behavior and rude people. How about this? How about you design an entertainment spectacular that doesn't require 40,000 paying customers to try to squeeze into a physical space that can only really hold 12,000? Seriously, if the Entertainment Department divas would actually try walking through the Park once in awhile, they might realize their sparkly little show doesn't look that great when riots are breaking out in the peanut gallery.
Originally Posted By pirategirlscully Darkbeer, I certainly didn't take photos! I only mentioned it here because it really did surprise me to see adult women behaving in such a self important and disgusting manner. This was after the fireworks too, so they were just mad someone had the "gaul" to step between them on their way somewhere else. I thought the purpose of this site was to discuss all things Disneyland and the demeanor and behavior of certain guests when it gets crowded I would think is certainly pertinent.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I solved the problem I saw all I wanted to see from the hotel I was staying in on Disney Way. I know others disagree but fireworks are fireworks no matter where you see them. I think they are nice but not worth the pushing and shoving to see. JMHO!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Do other theme parks have fireworks nightly? I guess the answer for Disney will be to discontinue them if it is causing violence. I was actually relieved the last time I was there on Monday because no fireworks on schedule. I still had a lot of fun and got my moneys worth.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney LOL, its always fun to see people getting ghetto at DL ;D. Actually, I *almost* saw a fight break out last time I was there which was the night of the 50th anniversary day of DL and all the crazies were camped outside for it waiting for the next day. It was just before midnight and I litterally walked through the parking area to check out the spectacle on my way back to the hotel and as I was strolling down seeing the crowds with their blankets and pillows, I came across a CM who was yelling at this woman to get out of the line because she had gotten into a shouting match with someone sitting next to her and cussing her out because she didn't have enough room for her blanket to lay down or something. And then preceded to take over the entire space lol. Well, like I said I just got there, but its was clear she had agitated the entire area of people sitting there because they were all asking the CM she be moved removed. Of course, she was still refusing to get up and was YELLING and cussing about how pissed she was. The other lady was still clear on the defense and looked like she was to defend her space if the CM couldn't take care of it. It wasn't until security came over when the lady was forced to be removed. I assume she got to still stay in line---just not THERE . Anyway, it wasn't even midnight yet lol and I told myself this may turn out to be a veeery long night for some. I went back to the Hilton and fell asleep on my comfortable pillow :0.
Originally Posted By SuzieQ Heck, the stoller ramming stuff happens all over the park, not just at fireworks! I've been intentionally rammed by strollers for years.
Originally Posted By markcanada Is part of the problem that they aren't nightly? They are only on weekends, so you have no choice but to go on the most crowded days. Yes, they are expensive, but you are also compressing the crowds. Plus, I agree, why not have a show that can be seen from anywhere in the park, so the crowds don't have to be in one confined space?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Why on earth would you create a show from scratch that can only be enjoyed to it's full extent by being in the Hub or the top of Main Street?>> I can see your point, but it's absolutely NO excuse for people acting in an uncivil manner. People need to own up to their own actions, and in this case the blame clearly belongs with the offenders.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF When I was at DL a couple weeks ago, my party unfortunately was in the wrong place at the wrong time (i.e., just as the show began), and we got caught in the middle of everything. A woman pushing her way in front of us through the crowds literally and roughly picked up a young boy of about 7 and tossed him aside. I don't think the kid's parents saw this happen. Before I could say anything, she was well ahead. I'm still shaking my head over that one. I think this show and the logistics to keep the crowd in control are really ill-conceived...
Originally Posted By Blacksheep Uncle >>Disneyland could post a security guard every 10 yards, and give them tazers and mace canisters to attack anyone who dares put their child on their shoulders for a better view of the parade.<< the thought of that warms the cockles of my heart... but seriously the same stuff happens at sporting events or concerts or even the mall...it's just extra sad when you see that sort of behavior at Disneyland...
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>How about this? How about you design an entertainment spectacular that doesn't require 40,000 paying customers to try to squeeze into a physical space that can only really hold 12,000? << Hear hear, Westsider. I LOVE the new fireworks show, don't get me wrong. It's brilliant! But there has to be a way to get more of the park "involved" in the show so that there is more than just a single vantage point. While the castle area will probably always be the "ideal" iconic viewing spot, as so many of us have the image of Tiner Bell and the bursts of fireworks over the castle blazed into our memories from years of "Wonderful World of Color/Disney", I hope the next fireworks extravaganza doesn't require crowding approximately one zillion people into a relatively small area.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Why on earth would you create a show from scratch that can only be enjoyed to it's full extent by being in the Hub or the top of Main Street?> Remember when they used to just shoot fireworks into the sky? And everyone could see them anywhere in the park? good times...
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA The fireworks show is now another 'Fantasmic' -- and for me, that means I won't wait the required 3 hours to stake out a proper place to view it.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Darkbeer, I certainly didn't take photos!.....I thought the purpose of this site was to discuss all things Disneyland and the demeanor and behavior of certain guests when it gets crowded I would think is certainly pertinent.< I think you may have misinterpreted what Darkbeer was saying. I don't think he was chastising you in any way for posting. Rather, he was saying that he sees the same thing, even though he doesn't always post about it. Don't worry, you're doing fine - post away!!!
Originally Posted By pitapan16 The first stroller that I physically see intentionally hit me is going to relize they made the worst misteake of there sorry lives in less than 10seconds.......lol
Originally Posted By juicer I remember too when you just look up in to the sky anywhere at Disneyland to see the fireworks - one place was'nt really better than another - wherever you were in the park - I think that first started to change when the snow feature at Christmastime began after the fireworks a few years ago - That's when this whole waiting in the middle of Main St. thing started
Originally Posted By Clotho "I know others disagree but fireworks are fireworks no matter where you see them. I think they are nice but not worth the pushing and shoving to see. JMHO!" Actually, this show isn't just fireworks. it is also the lighting and projections on the castle. And also some of the fireworks placement adds to the effects, where if you are not in the hub, you don't "get it" (don't want to spoil it for anyone so I won't elaborate) You can't see it the same from everyplace, unlike many other fireworks shows, where so long as you can see what is shot into the sky, you're good. We got our spots in the hub two and a half hours before the fireworks. Right dead center, about two people back from the curb. It was miserable. Crowded isn't the half of it. Luckily we had a group of polite, laughing teenagers playing a card game behind us that kept the levity. But when I hd to use the bathroom before the show started....nobody was giving an inch! I just needed to get to the walkway, and out to the bethrooms, but when people saw me coming, they wouldn't budge. Honestly, there were lots of people who came an hour before the show and were trying to shove their way through the crowds who had planted themselves early, in hopes of finding a spot for themselves. We're talking families with toddlers they are dragging through the crowds. it was ridiculous! But I wasn't that person. I was alone, just trying to get to the bathroom and back, but I was *the enemy*. *The interloper*. nobody would move a smidge, and a few times I had to literally step over people's heads, shoulders and other body parts to get where I was going because they wouldn't move at all, clearly in fear that if they moved their leg, I would plop down in the space they made for me to pass and just stay! *shaking head*
