Originally Posted By dresswhites tomorrowland is really looking shabby. The space mountain line is looking like he** i am not kidding. there was trash everywhere. the floors are scuffed up, the poles are in desparate need of paining. half the overhead lights on the starcade overhang are burnt out. they don't light the upstairs part of the starcade so it made even more dark in that area. even my friend who is not a disney nut like me , said the whole space mountain waiting area looked horrible. Like i said trash was everywhere. i am not bashing custodial either, because the rest of the park as well as DCA looked immaculate. to be honest it really didn't feel like a disney experience. it was like when i started to wait in line for space i suddenly entered six flags. the only thing difference was the cms were friendly then they are at six flags. the rest of tomorrowland didn't have the neglect, but in my opinion tomorrowland doesn't have the charm the rest the kingdom has. toon has less worthwhile attractions than tomorrowland, but at least in toontown there is a sense of whimsy and fun in the arcetecture, greenery, and lighting. the new lights around tomorrowland terrace are really out place and do not theme well. the empty track is a horrible eyesore and innoventions needs to go. hopefully with the subs tomorrowland develops the wonder of the other lands, right now there is no wonder or magic. Granted in the 80s and early 90 tomorroland was not a wonderfully attractive land, but with the people mover, skyway, the rocket jets on the top of the platform the land was at least visually interesting. Tommorowland in my opinion really needs to be completely rethought.
Originally Posted By oc_dean You know you think about it...... * Buzz Lightyear * repainting * submarine voyage overhaul * Rolly Cromp's "terrace" piece * Tomorrowlanding shop * new Monorail fleet in the works ..... only the TIP of the iceberg! SOOOOO much more needs to be done ... Unfortunately ... only thing Disney seems willing to do is a restoration to the "1967" set-up.
Originally Posted By Ryuki Ugh. As a sci-fi geek, Tomorrowland has always been my favorite land but there's so much that needs to be done to it. I haven't been to DL lately so I don't know about the trashiness, but once of the reasons I love DL is because they actually maintain the park unlike Six Flags. At Six Flags they have gum stuck to everything, graffitti instead of paint, and trash everwhere. I hate to see DL looking like that....it ruins the atmosphere. DL is supossed to be more mature and professional, while Six Flags is run by a bunch of kids younger than me (I'm 19...)
Originally Posted By oc_dean We can atleast count on: * more than likely: New Peoplemover type experience * Star Tours II * replanting the Astro Orbitor to the center of the land BUT THAT AIN'T ENOUGH! * Is InnoboringVations suppose to stick around the next 20 years? Yeah right! * "Honey, I'm continuing to bore the Audience" See Eric Idle in his early 90s double breasted suit in the land of the future .. Oh! What a treat! NO WORD on any rumors with the Kodak Eye movie theater spot! * Starcade, Redd Rockets, what's left of the Space Place restaurant - ALL odd facilities where their real-estate is not really being used to maximum efficiency. I think it's sort of ridiculous Disney is taking this "one project once every 2-3 years in Tomorrowland" manner. By the time the get it all done .. It's time to redo it all again! Dumb!
Originally Posted By dresswhites like i said the rest the park seems to being maintained rather well. tommorowland not so well. the new paint scheme is nice, but it doesn't hide the empty track, the horrible waste of innoventions, and the fact that it looks like the starcade hasn't been touched since it opened. the worse offender in the land right now is the space mountain area. they need to fix a few light bulbs and do some touch up paint.
Originally Posted By DlandJB We rode Astro Orbitor yesterday. There were so many empty water bottles and cups stuck in the foliage around the ride. I watched a girl about 12 finish a bottle of water and simply leave the empty sitting on the side. What is wrong with people these days? Why won't they clean up after themselves? Have the messes wouldn't be there if people would be courteous and take care of their trash. It isn't like there are no trash cans around.
Originally Posted By Nobody "Have the messes wouldn't be there if people would be courteous and take care of their trash." If you mean "half the messes", I think that percentage would more likely be up into the 90s.
Originally Posted By jomach08 And the irony is that the people who leave trash everywhere are usually the first to complain about how dirty everything is in the park, or how un-maintained it is.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros This isn't really about the mess in Tomorrowland, but the people there. While waiting in an excutiantingly long line for Space Mountain on 12/29, we noticed that there were several kids (probably 15-20 of them) running around in the open area in the center of the Space Mountain queue area. Many of them were backing up to the chains and running at full force toward the wall of the planter to see how high on it they could jump. After watching it for about 5 minutes, a CM came out and shooed them all away. He went back inside to do whatever it was that he was doing, and within seconds, many of the kids had returned. I find it rude not only to the CM who specifically told them not to do it, but also the people in HISTA who could probably hear all the footsteps (ever wonder why the queue doesn't gon in the middle area?), and all the other people who patiently waited in line like they were supposed to. I'm not blaming the kids, since I'm sure they weren't there alone (the oldest ones appeared to be no older than about 12). It's the parents who are just not paying attention to what is going on and not thinking logically. If one of the kids ran at the wall and didn't jump in time, I'm sure they would have gotten all scraped up, and the parents would have sued. It was the first time that I've seen anything like that in a Disney park (or any other park that I can think of) and it's just plain trashy.
Originally Posted By knoxvelour I hear ya Ferret! My last trip there before the holidays, exact same location, there were about 6 kids, oldest prolly 14-15. They had taken off their belts and were running around the area trying to hit each other with them. A CM came out and sent them back in line.
Originally Posted By avromark ^^^ I wonder what this says about todays parents? In reality when do you think they'll have Tommorowland up to Uncle Wally's standards?
Originally Posted By DlandDug I don't think that Tomorrowland looks particularly shabby these days. The area around the Terrace and the Monorail/Subs looks quite good. I did note that the waiting area for Space Mountain was a bit of a mess. I put this down to the heavy use engendered by the successfull Rockin' Both Parks promotion. The guests who are attracted to this are, perhaps, not as fastidious as we would want them to be...
Originally Posted By dresswhites ^^^that could be it. i also saw kids playing in the middle section. also two people were smoking, luckily a custodian saw this and directed them to the nearest smoking section.
Originally Posted By Sweeper Tomorrowland has very cheap surfaces that fall apart easily. In other lands there are rocks, bricks, stonework, etc. but Tomorrowland is concrete and stucco which relies on paint to keep it fresh. The overreliance on white in the past was a major problem since it showed dirt so easily. Then we had brown and now blue. I hope the future contains elements from the past which make us feel reassured like stonework, bricks, or just something not blue and white. Don't get me started on those pavers with the crazy pattern. In a few years they will look dated. In a few more years after that they will be sagging as the dirt erodes away under them. Tomorrowland just never gives us a fantasy Tomorrow. They keep goofing it up with trendy finishes that don't wear well.
Originally Posted By pitapan16 Hmmm interesting thoughts, and perhaps somewhat true. But still to me atleast I like the way Tommorowland is going right now, and I like the blue.
Originally Posted By jmuboy I like TL and it has its flaws. But all the changes in the last 3 years or so have been positive.....and taking the area in the RIGHT direction in my opinion.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 While you're all dissing on T-Land, perhaps we can complain a bit about all the lightbulbs that are now burned out on Main Street (like Crystal Arcade for example) ... I'd hate it if DL started looking like it did during Cyn's Reign of Terror!
