Originally Posted By fkurucz So.... Earth is poisoned Some Cylons want to friends But some colonials will not have that And only a few episodes are left? So, how do you think Battlestar Galactica will end? Will they find a new world where humans and (organic) Cylons will live togther, maybe even cross breed into a new human race. Or will it end in tears, with the deaths of the remaining colonials (humans). Or maybe something else?
Originally Posted By avromark Also - what will be shared when we see things in the TV movie after the end from the Cylons point of view? Will people tune in to Caprica, or will BC studios be down another show?
Originally Posted By JenniBarra I thought that I had read that, since Sci Fi is low on original TV series, it looked like "Caprica" is definitely a go. If anything, with the origins of the Final Five coming out now, I'm more intrigued than ever by the idea of "Caprica."
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<I thought that I had read that, since Sci Fi is low on original TV series>> I have a love/hate relationship with the SciFi channel. Most of the stuff they show is just garbage. And there's BSG.
Originally Posted By avro_imagineer You aren't a Stargate fan? So can you wait for "The Plan" movie? How do you think it will end. Me I'm clueless but my gut feeling is it'll end badly for them.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<You aren't a Stargate fan?>> While I agree that the StarGate series aren't "garbage", I just couldn't get into StarGate. When I say garbage, I mean the lame SciFi movies they show. Some are just simply awful. <<How do you think it will end. Me I'm clueless but my gut feeling is it'll end badly for them.>> At this point I have no idea. Things sure don't look good for them. The ship (Galactica) is no longer structurally sound, the earthlings (original cylons) almost bailed on them, they are low on food. Plus the new cyclons still want to wipe them out. There was possibly a hint dropped where it was mentioned that the only way to survive was for humans (colonials) and the cylons to interbreed, and that both humans and earthlings had demonstrated that each was prone to disaster and self destruction. When Tighe and Caprica's baby died in utero it showed that Cylons cannot breed with either cylons or earthings. They must breed with humans. The real identity of the 5 (earthlings) was an interesting twist (plus a big hint that Starbuck is an earthling). Who would have thought that we (earthlings) aren't true humans, but rather are cylons.
Originally Posted By Indigo What bothers me about the final season of BSG is that it is not even remotely the same series that BSG started as. Sure, it's the same characters, same ships, same uniforms. But the original series is gone. All that's left is this quest to self-destruct. It's captivating in the same way an auto wreck is, but slows down the flow and too many of them will stop traffic altogether. I miss the bravado and camaraderie of Starbuck and Apollo. I actually miss the original mythology of the 12 colonies, the arrow, the flashbacks, and the pursuit by the cylons. To me, the show took a wrong turn at New Caprica and it never recovered. That said, it's still a pretty decent show, and the desire to see how it ends is pretty intense. Can't wait myself.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Ok, I feel that we (the viewers) were bamboozled! When they found "earth" (the one that was nuked) one could clearly see North America on the globe. Then, in the finale they find our "earth" (150,000) years ago. And no explanation as to why the two worlds had the same gepgraphy. Also I had problems with: 1) The discarding of knowledge and technology when colonizing earth. 2) That the colonists all died out (should have hung onto technology perhaps), except for the progeny of Baltar and Caprica, whose child is the mitochondrial "Eve" of today's humanity (so we did end up having some Cylon DNA after all).
Originally Posted By Disneybrad If you rewatch the episode where they found the destroyed "earth" it is not the same planet shown in the quick zoom to our earth at the end of season 3 and the one from last nights finale.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead I don't feel bamboozled at all. I thought it was absolutely amazing. A fitting end to a very intelligent show.
Originally Posted By fkurucz I realize that they had to make us think that the nuked earth was ours, in order to make their situation seem really hopeless. Obviously the two were close to each other as they shared the same views of the constellations. I was suspicious when they found the nuked earth since the moon was AWOL. A lot of fans were convinced that it was our earth, and argued so on the many fan websites. I will have to rewatch the nuked earth episode again to check out its geography. I do recall that in the episode where Kara comes back from the dead that we are shown our earth at the end of the episode. I do agree that it was an intelligent series and did enjoy it. I especially appreciate that unlike so many Sci Fi franchises that they didn't try to invent a culture for the show, including goofy looking clothing, etc. I also found it refreshing that they mostly avoided pseudo science, except for FTL and artificial gravity which you pretty much need to make any space flick work. But there were no phasers, lasers, teleporters, FTL communications, flying cars, etc. While they did have AI (the Centurions) they avoided trying to explain it. I wonder what did become of the centurions after 150,000 years?
Originally Posted By oc_dean I found it fascinating that the producers chose that "current day" for them ... was 150,000 years ago for us. 'They took the long time ago....' for Star Wars ....... to ....... A very, very, very, very, very, very long time ago for the 12 colonies.
Originally Posted By oc_dean ......... Suggesting that not all of humanity throughout the universe developed and evolved all at the same time. I wonder if it would have made it more or less interesting if their 'present day' was 2009 to us, or the days of the ancient Egyptians .. or 25th Century .. or the 35th Century ... or 150,000 years into the future. But it was fascinating that they landed during a time when our world was totally, UNspoiled .. and the beauty of the natural world ruled.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I do have so many questions .. as I barely watched the show. What planet was it, that they encountered ... and thought was Earth? Is there a logical reason for it, written into the show .. or were the producers just playing games with the audience, and not offer any rational explanation?
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<I do have so many questions .. as I barely watched the show. What planet was it, that they encountered ... and thought was Earth?>> The original Earth, which was populated by the 13th tribe of Cobol. Or as I like to call it: Earth 1.0 The world we call Earth was not the planet they were looking for. But in the end it served their purposes well.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<......... Suggesting that not all of humanity throughout the universe developed and evolved all at the same time.>> What would be the probablility of that happening? Ore that even genetically compatible humanoids would arise independently? Zero? Maybe humanoids could arise elsewhere, but have the same genome? I seriously doubt it. I doubt that if we were ever to find another world with life on it (if any exist at all) that it would be even remotely compatible with our form of life. Of course they got around this in the show by having the divine involved.
Originally Posted By oc_dean flkurucz ... If you don't mind .. I just might be asking for some basic "Battlestar Galactica 101" questions. I was in my mid teens when I sat infront of the tv ... and glued to all cool technology. I barely paid any mind to the core concepts of where these "12 colonies" originated from. If you know of a website that goes over all the core basics .. I would love it if you could stear me in that direction. First .. I want to know ... Did Adama and Co. come from this galaxy, or one outside of ours? Second ... If there are "12 colonies" spread out through several solar systems in their territory .. where did they originate from?
Originally Posted By oc_dean >><<I do have so many questions .. as I barely watched the show. What planet was it, that they encountered ... and thought was Earth?>> The original Earth, which was populated by the 13th tribe of Cobol. Or as I like to call it: Earth 1.0 The world we call Earth was not the planet they were looking for. But in the end it served their purposes well. << Let me see if I'm following you correctly. This 13th tribe settled on SOME OTHER planet than ours. And they decided to call it "Earth". And somewhere down the line ... thousands .. if not millions of years ago ... Our world was named "Earth" too? And the world they came up to in an episode a while back .. which I barely caught .. showed remains of a modern civilization where there no people and said the world was "poisoned" - my guess, radiation poisoning. Am I following correctly so far?
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<If you know of a website that goes over all the core basics .. I would love it if you could stear me in that direction.>> You can start with wikipedia, but there is also a BSG wiki as well: <a href="http://www.battlestarwiki.org/" target="_blank">http://www.battlestarwiki.org/</a>
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Let me see if I'm following you correctly. This 13th tribe settled on SOME OTHER planet than ours. And they decided to call it "Earth".>> Correct. <<And somewhere down the line ... thousands .. if not millions of years ago ... Our world was named "Earth" too?>> In the final episode after finding our world they decided to name it Earth, because: "Earth is a dream", even though Laura Roslin protests that it isn't really "Earth". They arrived 150,000 years ago, and we are supposed to all have a common ancestor: Hera, a human/cylon hybrid. A high tech Eve. <<And the world they came up to in an episode a while back .. which I barely caught .. showed remains of a modern civilization where there no people and said the world was "poisoned" - my guess, radiation poisoning.>> Yes, that was the original Earth. And it was rendered uninhabitable due to a nuclear war some 2000 years earlier (152,000 years before now). Only 5 people were known to have survived that war and embarked for the the other 12 colonies. Lacking faster than light technology that journey took 2000 years. The original Earth's inhabitants were organic, but not true humans. Their genome was used as a blueprint for the organic cylons, which was given to the cylons in exchange for a promise to not attack the colonies (which was broken). For this reason the 5 survivors from Earth are also considered to be Cylons. They also provided the Cylons with "resurrection" technology, which allows the transfer of consciousness from one body upon death to another identical, cloned body, giving the Cylons virtual immortality. It was this technology that enabled the 5 to survive the nuclear war on Earth 1.0. Complicating matters futher, Cylons are unable to reproduce organically, as their offspring are always stillborn. They can however breed with humans. <<Am I following correctly so far? >> Not bad! <<First .. I want to know ... Did Adama and Co. come from this galaxy, or one outside of ours? Second ... If there are "12 colonies" spread out through several solar systems in their territory .. where did they originate from?>> My understanding is that the 12 colonies are in the Milky Way, and that they are all in the same solar system (what are the odds that any system would have 12 inhabitable worlds?). Laura Roslin remarks that our Earth has more biodiversity than the 12 colonies combined. These observations are from the new series. In the original series it is unclear where the colonies are located. Also in the original series it is implied that the Colonials do not possess Faster Than Light travel, which would have made their exodus very difficult unless they travelled at relativistic speeds. In both series the cradle of humanity is a world called Kobol. In the new series Kobol is found, an uninhabitable radioactive ruin. It is understood that the survivors fled to the Colonies, while the 13th tribe, who were genetically engineered slaves (think BladeRunner replicants) fled to Earth 1.0. The former slaves created their own slaves on earth, which led to Earth 1.0's destruction (moral of the story: don't manufacture slaves).
