Originally Posted By AutoPost This topic is for Discussion of <a href="http://www.LaughingPlace.com/Latest-ID-81571.asp" target="_blank"><b>Latest: Company Says They'll Continue to Sell Disneyland Tickets Against Disney's Polocy; Justifie</b></a> <p>From Half Off Theme Parks, LLC...</p> <p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span>Half Off Theme Parks, LLC, a leader in discount theme park ticket sales, says they are still selling Disneyland tickets regardless of Disneyland's new policies. Disneyland has recently been taking photographs of their customers before entering their theme parks, but Half Off Theme Parks says starting today, they will be offering discounted tickets once again.</span><br /><br /><span>"Disneyland is a very well orchestrated company, they count their pennies, and then some," says Half Off Theme Parks CMO Patrick Murray. "Disney(land) is always coming up with new ways to stop shared tickets. Whenever it comes down to it though, there will always be discounted tickets that will work."</span><br /><br /><span>Half Off Theme Parks took a hit earlier in the year when Disneyland changed their policies, but now they say they are ready to start selling discounted tickets again.</span><br /><br /><span>Jesse Dombrowiak, the companies COO said, "People don't understand our side of the story, but we are helping families. There are multiple parents that will pull me to the side in our office with tears in their eyes and say 'without your company, we would have never been able to afford to purchase these tickets for our kids'. Hearing those words empowers all of us to keep finding ways to help families save."</span></p>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt LOL. So this jackass thinks he's saving the world by ignoring DL's ticketing policy? And who cries about not being able to afford Disneyland? What an idiotic statement.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "And who cries about not being able to afford Disneyland? What an idiotic statement." Well not anyone here, but i could see a family with multiple children. I just dont understand how or why people would buy these tickets with the risk of not getting in? and how are people still getting in?
Originally Posted By mele That's what I don't understand. It sounds like an even bigger rip off than it was before.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Well not anyone here, but i could see a family with multiple children. I just dont understand how or why people would buy these tickets with the risk of not getting in? and how are people still getting in?<< They will just whine and complain to Disney and try to get comped... Disney needs to take a hard stand and make no exceptions for using used tickets...No matter how sad the sob story is...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Sounds like he is ready to test it in court. I understand Disney's side of it but I also understand the other side. I know that Disney "small printed" the tickets to say that you couldn't let anyone else use your ticket except the first one to use it, but, it opens up a lot of questions. For example, didn't you give Disney a bucket load of money for the ticket? Since you did, why do you not have ownership. Disney won't refund your money, so it is basically an asset for you. I had a close call once when I bought my then girl friend a multi-day ticket to go with me to WDW. Fortunately, depending on how you look at it, we broke up before she got the chance to use it. If she had used it, I would have been out hundreds of dollars with no recourse. Why is that OK? They keep your money and you get absolutely nothing in return. You even have to wonder if it's legal. I look at it as, I paid money for that ticket it is my property and is no ones business who uses it except mine. When I bought it I didn't make a promise as to who was going to use it. I only named those that I though might use it. I could have given it as a gift. No promises made ever. I purchased X number of admissions for X number of dollars. If they want to protect their "ownership" then reimburse me for days not used and at least it's not so one sided. We haven't had a lot of recourse in this because one person is not likely to take it to litigation. It wouldn't be worth it. However, this guy may be able to make an argument, in court, that Disney sold that admission for X number of days, they didn't and shouldn't have control over who I let use my property. Unless, like I said they are willing to refund money based on how many days are left, then it is fair all around. Huge loss of income for them, but everything is relative, it's, percentage wise, a major investment for me that I am going to lose for no reason. I'm aware that those tickets are front loaded and the first few days are the most expensive, but, that only serves to make the refund smaller and less harmful. One can spin it whatever way they want but if I pay $600.00 for a 10 day Park Hopper, that's $60.00 per day no matter what other words you use for it, that is the reality. Many times those people that are granted the use of those left over tickets wouldn't have been going otherwise, so actually it represents a loss to Disney of money they might have spent in the parks but since they already received full payment for the ticket nothing is lost there that they didn't already anticipate with your purchase.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "I look at it as, I paid money for that ticket it is my property and is no ones business who uses it except mine. When I bought it I didn't make a promise as to who was going to use it. I only named those that I though might use it. I could have given it as a gift. No promises made ever. I purchased X number of admissions for X number of dollars. If they want to protect their "ownership" then reimburse me for days not used and at least it's not so one sided. " I agree and i really could care less if there are people buying discounted tickets. Disney over charges and rips people off daily, so i dont feel sorry for the few dollars they might be losing. I just would never risk buying my tickets knowing theres a chance i cant get into the park.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 If Disney didn't enforce this, things would get out of hand with resellers all around the parks, some legitimate, and some not...Believe it or not, Disney is enforcing this to protect the consumer...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Well, in that they are a consumer, I'd have to agree. But like I said, refund unused portion of the tickets and the problem is practically solved. In other words they can run their own outside partial ticket sales. I do see the potential for fraud especially since unlike the old days the tickets do not physically show the dates used. Maybe the new Magic Bands will end the business for them anyway.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I had a close call once when I bought my then girl friend a multi-day ticket to go with me to WDW. Fortunately, depending on how you look at it, we broke up before she got the chance to use it. If she had used it, I would have been out hundreds of dollars with no recourse. Why is that OK?" A ticket to Disneyland is much like a contract: once you've purchased it you're stuck with whatever the agreement was. Suppose you'd purchased a non-refundable plane ticket or hotel room and your girlfriend broke up with you? It would basically be the same thing. If you don't like the terms then don't buy the ticket.
Originally Posted By AGKoolAid The back of a Disneyland Resort admission ticket, purchased from the ticket booths on Jan 19th, states plainly in big letters at the top of the ticket: Not for resale. Void if altered. Revocable. Nonrefundable. Admit One. Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on any and all days. May not be sold, bartered, nor exchanged for goods, services or benefits. Plain and simple. If you don't like their rules, don't go. They have every right to do what they are doing. Disney should be the only one allowed to collect the entrance fee to their own property. No other company should have the right to say who can go onto another company's property unless they were business partners. You wouldn't want me to sell people tickets to your theme park, & keep the money, would you? Your admission fee goes to help pay for all the great CM's working to make your day at the park awesome, as well as for the upkeep. And by saying the ticket is your property....you're wrong. All AP's state that the pass is property of Disney, & can be revoked without refund if you don't follow the rules. By saying you should do whatever you want with the ticket cause you paid for it....you can until someone uses it to enter the park. THEN, you are bound by their rules. I'm happy Disney is finally enforcing the multiday tickets.
Originally Posted By karlg I second AGKoolAide's comment. If you think Disneyland is too expensive or you don't like the rules on the ticket, don't go. A multi-day ticket is meant to give a DISCOUNT for a single person going multiple days. At least in theory there is diminishing value the more days you go. MANY many deals and offers work this way including other theme parks and other types of admission. By Goofermost's logic (using the term loosely) and annual pass should refund 364/365th of the value after you go for one day. There are other theme parks that offer "go one day and get the rest of the year free", by his logic they should also refund 364/365 if you just go one day. I certainly don't feel for some corrupt companies that is knowing violating the terms of the ticket. It is not their job to make Disney more affordable by breaking the terms of the agreement on the ticket (and pocketing money for themselves). I would like to think that Disney and or the city/state could bring an action against them as IMO they are committing fraud. My only complaint is that they have not found a more efficient way to handle it. I am hearing of there being a lot problem with delays getting into the parks with the change in rules. With today's technology, there should be no added delay.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "I agree and i really could care less if there are people buying discounted tickets. Disney over charges and rips people off daily, so i dont feel sorry for the few dollars they might be losing." Any money Disney loses will be passed directly on to you and other paying customers in the form of higher ticket prices and/or higher food/merchandise prices.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Any money Disney loses will be passed directly on to you and other paying customers in the form of higher ticket prices and/or higher food/merchandise prices." I agree that Disney has every right to enforce this, but I don't think this is how they set their pricing. Ticket prices are driven by supply & demand.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I bet that Disney is really kicking themselves for not installing finger scanners on the new turnstyles last year, like they've had in WDW for over a decade. The process is pretty quick, and very reliable. No it's not as fast as just walking through the entrance with no ID check, but it certainly doesn't cause the backups that have apparently been occurring with the photos. I know that people in California would likely get the heebie-jeebies from the scanners (it's fun to watch them squirm some of the time!), but by Federal law, a private company can't store a record of your fingerprint, so it's perfectly safe. They record a few data points from your finger, and then match them on future visits. It really is a clever system, and is surprisingly quick, painless, and efficient. But given that they just installed fresh new turnstyles at the DCA entrance (and may have upgraded DL's at the same time?), I doubt we'll see this implemented for a while. Depending on how WDW's barrier free entrances work with the new RFID ticket system, they could also be installed at DLR, giving them another chance to upgrade their system in the somewhat near future.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>By Goofermost's logic (using the term loosely) and annual pass should refund 364/365th of the value after you go for one day. There are other theme parks that offer "go one day and get the rest of the year free", by his logic they should also refund 364/365 if you just go one day.<<< Speaking of "loose logic", we are not talking about yearly passes here, we are talking about definable days allowed in the park. I do not know what the solution is but I still believe that a case can be made for cash paid, value received. Yes, they have the right to say that no one is now allowed to use that ticket, but do they have the right to keep the money that can be calculated to the exact amount of days lost? That is what happened a few years back when retail stores put ending times on Gift Certificates. You took the money and promised something in return. You cannot arbitrarily say well, too bad, times up, I win the money's mine and you can just not shop here if you don't like it. I can even see where Disney might have just cause to say to the purchaser that you cannot resell them, but then they took it a step further and said that you cannot even give your "owned" ticket as a gift (or what's left of it). I think that goes beyond the point of protecting and leaps right into greed. Why can't I as the original purchaser contact Disney and tell them that due to whatever, I cannot use the rest of my ticket and I'd like to transfer the title to (whomever). It's mine, I paid for it, Disney has money in it's huge pockets that I worked for and spent on a tangible service. Now, I get nothing, and they get it all. With the Magic My Way tickets it is less of a burden then it was back in the good old days when it was a higher rate per day as the days wore down, but it is still a form of thief of services in some eyes. I made my comment because I really think that a crafty lawyer, in the right court could make a case out of this Disney created situation. It is 100% self serving for Disney. Yes, it's their property and yes, they can make the rules. However, the rules should be equitable and fair for both sides.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If you don't feel the rules are fair, you can decide not to buy that form of ticket media.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "However, the rules should be equitable and fair for both sides." The rules that Disney has governing its admission tickets is not unusual or unheard of. How is what the reseller is doing equitable and fair? "It's mine, I paid for it, Disney has money in it's huge pockets that I worked for and spent on a tangible service. Now, I get nothing, and they get it all." That's just it... the terms of the contract state that it is NOT yours and that Disney is granting you admission based on those terms.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost They wouldn't have granted admission if I hadn't paid them buckets of money, it wasn't a favor it was a paid, repeat paid, admission. They get my money for that, and if it doesn't fall into their idea of what is fair and equitable, I lose. My money is still good to them but the piece of paper that represents that is worthless. I don't know if anything can be done, but I do know that something should be. It is way to one sided. Could be the nature of the beast, but that doesn't make it right. And everyone, please stop saying, if you don't like it don't go. It's not the same as running out of free Fastpasses. This is giving money to someone to provide something that all of a sudden they do not have to provide. I wish I had a cash cow like that somewhere. It is the proverbial money tree in the back yard. A gift from heaven.
