Originally Posted By Malin I have just been watching a online video of a presentation Disney gave to the media on future attractions for Disney's California Adventure. Check it out here. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUIZXxj3st4&playnext_from=TL&videos=CFY0EmY6puE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...0EmY6puE</a> My reason for bringing this up in the Tokyo section is simply don't you think this would have made a wonderful addition to Tokyo DisneySea some day. Unlikely to happen from what I can see without some major changes needing to take place to the pre existing Mermaid Lagoon structure. Which I would hate to see happen as its one of my favourite areas of the park. Still it would be well suited for Mermaid Lagoon and provide the park with a new classic family style dark ride that all ages could enjoy. I certainly feel its a better fit than Toy Story Mania. TSM will no doubt be a popular choice for visitors to the park when it opens. Yet I just don't feel Woody and Friends belong in this park. No matter how much of a good job WDI will do in fitting this attraction into the American Waterfront. These Characters just don't belong there. Regarding the Little Mermaid attraction I feel its certainly possible. Its just a question of if OLC want it that badly. And what would need to be done to clear the space so its available. I can certainly imagine Imagineering have discussed the idea with OLC. Maybe the OLC will want to play the wait and see game. See how well it goes over in both DCA and MK before seriously commiting to the idea. What do you think?
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara If they ripped out the large theater (which houses a dreadful show that's nothing more than lip-synching three songs from the film) they might be able to squeeze most of the ride in there. A little more excavation might make it a reality. Just returned from five days at the Disneyland Resort in California and what a pleasure it was to see real singing from every performer. It makes a big difference.
Originally Posted By Malin I actually enjoy the Little Mermaid show. Not so much for the lip synching but the puppets, costumes and aerial stunts. Replacing the theatre would be a sin. But on the other hand next year this show will be 10 years old. How long should a show based attraction like this last. Maybe the dark ride would be a suitable replacement. While also providing Mermaid Lagoon with its first ever E Ticket.
Originally Posted By Hista98 Hate to break it to you Malin but the new TLM ride is not an e ticket. It will be good but is more likely a c or d ticket at bect. Certainly not an E.
Originally Posted By SuperDry I beg to differ with you, Hista98. I suspect that at least the intention of TLM ride for DCA is that it will be an E ticket. How successful they'll be is another story, but I think it's supposed to turn out to be more than Monsters Inc, which Disney described as a "strong C ticket."
Originally Posted By NGrey <<I suspect that at least the intention of TLM ride for DCA is that it will be an E ticket. How successful they'll be is another story, but I think it's supposed to turn out to be more than Monsters Inc, which Disney described as a "strong C ticket.">> I never fully understood this classification. What exactly seperates a C from a D-ticket, or a D from an E-ticket besides the scale of the attraction? For example, the Fantaslyand dark rides used to be labelled C-tickets. Then there are the newer dark rides like Winnie the Pooh and Monsters Ic (excluding TDL's versions) which seem a step up from those. And finally you have ones which expand even further via either enhanced technology or more detailed theming to reach what I guess would be considered E-ticket status. Many people consider Roger Rabbit to be an E-ticket based on its storytelling and very well themed interior areas, but it wasn't really a huge step above the D-ticket dark rides mentioned above. And then there are rides considered E-ticket by the majority which break the mold in terms of technology (like Soarin' or Toy Story Mania) but which fall short in the theming department.
Originally Posted By barboy2 /// What exactly seperates a C from a D-ticket, or a D from an E-ticket besides the scale of the attraction?/// Scope and budget also determine letter classification. These A,B,C,D,E labels are now very informal and are used just to get a basic understanding of how ambitious an attraction is or will be. New technology(the latest and greatest) does not factor in letter classification. ///E-ticket by the majority which break the mold in terms of technology (like Soarin' or Toy Story Mania) but which fall short in the theming department./// TSMM is not an 'E' but a 'D'(just ask those who had it built) and Soarin' might or might not be an 'E'---- tough call on that one.
Originally Posted By Mr X The freakin Tiki Room was an "E" coupon back in the day...why would Soarin, THE headliner attraction of the park, not be? All other arguments aside, what "E" really means is simply the "best" attractions in the park (however Disney wants to define them).
Originally Posted By Hista98 I stil ldon't see TLM being an E ticket to me its not going to be good enough.
Originally Posted By NGrey <<TSMM is not an 'E' but a 'D'(just ask those who had it built) and Soarin' might or might not be an 'E'---- tough call on that one>> I have always seen TSM marketed as an E-ticket. General forum consensus seems to state that as well, though the standard seems to be a bit lower in the DL and WDW forums. I believe Toy Story Mania actually won a THEA award for being an outstanding attraction, something that usually denotes E-ticket status. While it may not be as big an attraction as Splash or Indy, it certainly is a major attraction designed to draw the crowds. It certainly seems a step above BLAB, which I feel is more of what I consider a D-ticket.
Originally Posted By Anatole69 ^^ The budget for TSM was only $80 million if I remember correctly, not really a big budget for an e-ticket. Plus there really isn't a lot to the ride except for some flat screen TV's, another indication that its scale is pretty small.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan ^ In that case, isn't Soarin' basically a giant screen too? Regarding TSM, I used to feel that it was just a D-ticket before actually riding it. But after several trips, I really feel that it offers the same kind of repeatable and memorable experience that an E-ticket would offer. It may not have much in the way of physical sets, but it's the overall ride experience that matters in the end. The 3D and other special effects push it above a D for me at least.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///I have always seen TSM marketed as an E-ticket /// Really??? Disney itself(via productuon and marketing) told us before opening that it will be a 'D' experience. .......and for what it's worth so did Themepark Insider, Hyperion, LA Times Daily Travel and ScreamScape
Originally Posted By barboy2 /// I believe Toy Story Mania actually won a THEA award /// I'm sure it did but that has absolutely nothing to do with E ticket status.....but you're correct in that many award winners clearly are E's. It is quite possible for an E ticket to not win jack whereas a D could mop up. Again, letter classification has nothing to do with technology or popularity and everything to do with how ambitious(budget/scope/scale) a project is.
Originally Posted By NGrey ^^ I'll try to find the official Disney sources, but here is one I found right off the bat. "Toy Story Mania seems to be just the E-ticket that Disney’s California Adventure needs to draw bigger crowds. Expect a long line" -LA Times Also, while at D23, an Imagineer remarked that Toy Story Mania was the first of several E-tickets they planned to add to DCA, with the rest coming in the billion dollar expansion.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Just returned from five days at the Disneyland Resort in California and what a pleasure it was to see real singing from every performer. It makes a big difference. >>> I suppose being able to hire native English speakers in California with singing ability for around $10 an hour makes a big difference. <<< If they ripped out the large theater (which houses a dreadful show that's nothing more than lip-synching three songs from the film) >>> I sure hope they don't. That show is one of the "hidden gems" of TDR as far as I'm concerned. It's on the simple side as far as shows go, but consider that it's a show that's operated as an attraction and not a show. That is, instead of a posted 3-5 performances per day, it runs continuously as an attraction from opening to closing. You can just get in line and see it at any time, and have an experience whose duration more on par with a long attraction than a show. Given that, I can see how the budget has to be tight, perhaps not allowing for performers with singing ability. But for what it is, I think it's a great concept. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything else even remotely like it at any other Disney park.
Originally Posted By Malin This discussion of would Little Mermaid be considered an E Ticket or not is a bit silly. If Disney were still doing the coupon books the upcoming Little Mermaid attraction and Toy Story Mania would both be considered E Tickets at a park like DCA. If DisneySea for instance was to list all its E Ticket attractions or what we as the online fan community consider E Tickets you could possibly choose three. Tower of Terror, Journey and Indy. Although I'm sure the park regards Sinbad, Stormrider, 20,000 Leagues and Raging Spirits as E Tickets. And if it doesn't than isn't three E Tickets for a park the size of DisneySea a small number. Its the same situation with DCA.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>>I stil ldon't see TLM being an E ticket to me its not going to be good enough.<<< I just love how people can be so sure of something like this with absolutely no workable knowledge of what's being built, outside of whats been shown to the public.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "I just love how people can be so sure of something like this with absolutely no workable knowledge of what's being built, outside of whats been shown to the public." Exactly! Pronouncing something will not be good when the ride is under construction as we speak is foolish. From what we know, it's going to be on the scale of The Haunted Mansion. Whether or not it's executed to, uh, certain people's standards, we just don't know yet. We do know that it is not going to be just a large Fantasyland dark ride.
