Originally Posted By AutoPost This topic is for Discussion of: <a href="http://www.laughingplace.com/w/news/2014/05/21/seven-dwarfs-mine-train-ad-premieres/" target="_blank"><b>5/21/14: Seven Dwarfs Mine Train Ad Premieres</b></a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Terrible. I do give them props though for finally building something in the MK that they can market to boys.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Anytime Disney tries to do 'hip' it's a disaster. With the glasses, I wonder if some guests will think it's a 3-D roller coaster.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Wow. What an unfortunate ad. Why are they all wearing sunglasses? Because they're supposed to be cool? I just don't get it. I'm sure there will be people who expect it to be in 3D, since there's no other reason for them to wear glasses (no really, there's absolutely no reason) But I agree that it's nice to see something at MK that isn't aimed squarely at 3-year-old girls. Hopefully this will help balance it out again, and attempt to steer it away from being toddler central (though that seems unlikely)
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance That was just...bizarre. I was half expecting some bikini clad women to start bumping and grinding with the dwarfs.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: So doctor, do you mean to say that you believe everything else in the M.K. has been meant to appeal only to girls all these many years?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I think most things at the Magic Kingdom actually appeal to both girls and boys but with more things that appeal to boys than girls. That's why I couldn't understand all the unfair criticism for the original princess centered ideas they had before changing their minds and having the dwarf coaster. I mean, it's not as if the park, as a whole, appealed mostly to girls in the first place. They only had once princess attraction to begin with and that was Snow White's Scary Adventures. They took that away and there is still only one princess attraction, now, with Voyage of the Little Mermaid. I think it's odd that so many males out there over-react by what they interpret as being 'too many princess type attractions' when, in fact, there's only ONE in the whole park. I guess they would just die if there were TWO princess attractions!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "So doctor, do you mean to say that you believe everything else in the M.K. has been meant to appeal only to girls all these many years?" Over the past decade, yes.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>I think most things at the Magic Kingdom actually appeal to both girls and boys but with more things that appeal to boys than girls.<< I do agree with this overall (but like Hans said, recent additions have skewed more toward girls). But as a society in general, we're more accepting of girls doing "boy" things than of boys doing "girl" things. Nobody has a problem with a girl who wears red, but a boy wearing pink will probably turn a few heads (I always get snarky comments when I wear a pink dress shirt). Similarly, girls can do the Pirates League makeover to become a pirate, but if a boy wanders into the Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique, he's given a half-hearted knight makeover. Generally speaking, it's far more socially acceptable for girls to blur the lines than boys. It's not Disney's doing, it just how it is in our society. So yes, there are a lot of boy-oriented experiences in MK. However, they typically don't exclude a large chunk of the population like girl-oriented experiences often do >>I think it's odd that so many males out there over-react by what they interpret as being 'too many princess type attractions' when, in fact, there's only ONE in the whole park.<< What about Enchanted Tales with Belle and Princess Fairy Tale Hall? I would count both of those as attractions. They certainly operate like attractions, with iconic architecture or a big marquee, continual 'loading', and a permanent queue
Originally Posted By phruby >>I was half expecting some bikini clad women to start bumping and grinding with the dwarfs. I don't know about that but the mom in the commercial is smoking hot. Do you think she likes the MILF attraction?
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I think YOU like the MILF. I just watched the commercial again to critique her hottness, and it's even more bizarre this time around. What's the connection to being cool and riding the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train? Could there be anyless less cool than the Seven Dwarfs?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I agree with what you said, Ferret, duckling. There is still an old fashioned bias against the feminine side of life among many today. The many comments that were made against the original ideas for the Fantasyland expansion are a good example. And, while it's easy to understand the argument against a mere meet and greet experience as opposed to an attraction, it's the way certain people expressed themselves--saying it was too 'girlie' that seemed most unreasonable. ORWEN: I agree. I mean, if--instead of princess meet and greets--they had decided to do actual attractions for the princesses, I would have preferred that. But what some people seemed most opposed to was the fact that whatever was created was meant for girls. ORDDU: I really can't think of any other attractions in the park--beyond The Little Mermaid--that are slanted mostly towards a girl's appeal. Could you list what attractions you think are meant mostly for girls, doctor?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But what some people seemed most opposed to was the fact that whatever was created was meant for girls." Just look at that commercial. It's obvious that even Disney is positioning this attraction to appeal to pre-teen boys, which is a departure from what we've seen in their previous marketing for the MK. "I really can't think of any other attractions in the park--beyond The Little Mermaid--that are slanted mostly towards a girl's appeal. Could you list what attractions you think are meant mostly for girls, doctor?" Well the elaborately produced Belle meet & greet is pretty girlie and the Dumbo Circus area, while not specifically for girls, strikes me as being something that would attract kindergartners. So really I guess what I'm saying is that the emphasis has been on young children and girls in particular. In light of that The Mine Train is a refreshing change.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: The Belle meet and greet is more of a meet and greet and less of an attraction. Although Disney certainly markets it as an attraction. ORWEN: I don't think Dumbo qualifies as an attraction slanted mostly for girls, though. ORDDU: So--at best--you've got 1 actual attraction--The Little Mermaid--which is slanted toward girls--along with a glorified meet and greet for Belle which Management considers an attraction. If we conceded to that, it's hardly a fair and balanced example to prove that girl's are favored over boys at the theme parks. ORWEN: That's why I wish there actually were more attractions at the parks that were slanted with girls in mind. Boys have had it made all along. It's time that they stopped whining and complaining about too many girl centric attractions.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Just for the hell of it, try and remember that sunglasses are a very important thing to wear in the bright sunshine to protect one's eyes from ultra violet rays. They also signify vacations etc. I don't think anyone has thought of them as COOL since the mid-70's. Are all of you in a time warp? Or is it just that nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing that Disney does is good enough. They are trying to promote a new ride, they are a business after all. They ARE NOT trying to cater to the idiosyncrasy's of a bunch of people the wouldn't know good ads from a baseball. Seriously, everyone should go back and read what was posted and, at that time, try and ask yourselves just exactly what qualifies any of you as experts in, not only what is a good ad, but, knowing what they intended it to be thought of. It's like a way to convince yourselves that it is a bad ride, when by the looks of it, it is anything but a bad ride. Just now what you wanted, but, since you haven't ridden it, I'm not sure how you got to be experts on that either.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "Just for the hell of it, try and remember that sunglasses are a very important thing to wear in the bright sunshine to protect one's eyes from ultra violet rays. They also signify vacations etc. I don't think anyone has thought of them as COOL since the mid-70's." So turning their collars up, putting shades on and walking with exaggerated swagger wasn't enough for you to see they were going for a "jokingly cool" theme? "Seriously, everyone should go back and read what was posted and, at that time, try and ask yourselves just exactly what qualifies any of you as experts in, not only what is a good ad, but, knowing what they intended it to be thought of." I am an expert in my own opinions, and that's what I think we were all giving here. "It's like a way to convince yourselves that it is a bad ride, when by the looks of it, it is anything but a bad ride. Just now what you wanted, but, since you haven't ridden it, I'm not sure how you got to be experts on that either." If you'd calm down just a bit, you'd realize that we've all been saying for months now how awesome the ride looks. This isn't about the ride, it's about the ridiculous ad they put out for the ride.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost OK, point taken. Next question... why the hell does it matter? It's a gesture that is understood to be, "look at me and what I am doing". Again why is that a bad thing? It's an ad for a fantasy theme park, it is not the Louvre. It isn't a serious place. It needs humor to be injected once in a while. Everyone is taking their fantasy escape way, way to seriously. You're sucking the fun out of it.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Next question... why the hell does it matter?" It doesn't. That's the whole point of an online DISCUSSION board.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "It's an ad for a fantasy theme park, it is not the Louvre. It isn't a serious place. It needs humor to be injected once in a while. Everyone is taking their fantasy escape way, way to seriously. You're sucking the fun out of it." What Hans said. And I think most of our points is the ad had no humor and it's wasn't fun. It's kind of like "What did I just watch? That was weird." When it should have been caused a reaction like this. "WOW! I want to go to WDW to ride this awesome new ride!" It doesn't really matter one way or the other to me or in the scheme of things, but what's the point of coming to LP if we can't discuss things like this?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "That's why I wish there actually were more attractions at the parks that were slanted with girls in mind. Boys have had it made all along. It's time that they stopped whining and complaining about too many girl centric attractions." No one here is whining, just pointing out the obvious because these types of things generally do not appeal me. I'd say the same thing though if any demographic was consistently over under represented as new attractions were added because I prefer Disney parks to have a balance of things for everyone in the family (DCA does this well). Maybe you're not getting it because your crystal balls are malfunctioning today.
