Originally Posted By pleiades357 I've had the flashes going off in my face more than a few times, uncomfortable and annoying when you have waited in line for a while. Last visit Pirates, person in the boat in front of us, lit up Pirates for the entire ride. We tried yelling, probably couldn't hear. Many people in our boat were complaining, one child said twice "mom, that hurts my eyes". People were not happy. When we reached the climb out, I was able to speak to the offender. He looked angry, but stopped shooting the flash in our faces. Worse, I spoke the the cast member over seeing the ride, his comment, "there is nothing we can do". I'm surprised, the are so creative and so effective with so many things, they are really going to allow one fool to ruin the effects of a multimillion dollar entertainment? Sadly, others will do it once they see someone get away with it. It will be like daylight...
Originally Posted By karlg I wish they would put a policy in that if you use a flash when no flash is allowed that they would take the camera from the offender for pick up at the end of the day or their exit from the park. Alternatively, they could stop the offender at the end of the attraction and make they delete all the photos on their camera. I think if they did this a few times, the word would get out and people would stop. They don't have to be draconian about taking camera's for one errant flash, but the confiscation would occur for blatant abuse. The blatant abuse of flashes is ruining many attractions and the abuse seems to be getting continually worse.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I wish they would put a policy in that if you use a flash when no flash is allowed that they would take the camera from the offender for pick up at the end of the day or their exit from the park." The only way this would work is to make it a choice between giving up your camera and picking it up at the end of the day or leaving Disneyland. They can't take your personal property from you, but they can make you leave. And then you get into this whole debate over whether or not someone should be ejected from the park for flash photography. "Alternatively, they could stop the offender at the end of the attraction and make they delete all the photos on their camera." Disney could only get the pictures deleted through a court order. Like above, Disney can't make you delete the photos, but they can make you leave. "but the confiscation would occur for blatant abuse." With thousands of visitors in the park per day, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to track flash photography abuse. If someone is flashing on Pirates and then flashes on Small World, how will the two infractions be recorded? The only viable solution is an educational campaign. Perhaps a section in the park map could illustrate why flash photography is discouraged and that most of the time it doesn't even work and comes out looking awful.
Originally Posted By karlg Fine, if they can't legally force people to delete images, then they should be ejected from the park for blatant abuse. You don't have to track someone around, just give them a warning on the ride and if they continue, meet them at the end of the ride and escort them out of the park. People are getting very abusive with flash photography and are ruining the experience on Pirates and HM. When asked to stopped, some will deliberately aim at the eyes of people asking them to stop. "Educating" people that are this rude is just wishful thinking. They don't care if the ruin the experience for everyone else and don't stop even when asked. What makes you think that "education" is going to make a difference?
Originally Posted By Ursula We can just shoot them. Do it once or twice, and they'll never flash again in a ride.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "You don't have to track someone around, just give them a warning on the ride and if they continue, meet them at the end of the ride and escort them out of the park." Warning them over the PA causes even more disturbance.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones The only thing that could come out of kicking people out of the park for taking flash pictures is bad PR. The majority of people who aren't Disney fans are probably going to say that Disney is being draconian. They'll also say that those that do care about flash photography on rides are nerds and that they should get a life. There's nothing good that could come out of it for Disney. The only people who would be made happy by a crackdown on flash pictures are hardcore Disney fans, and unfortunately, they are vastly outnumbered by casual visitors.
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>We can just shoot them. Do it once or twice, and they'll never flash again in a ride.<< I love it!! Simple, straightforward, cost-effective...
Originally Posted By Fowley I was thinking about just following them pointing and yell "flasher", people will dodge then that's for sure
Originally Posted By karlg So in reality "no flash photography" is just a suggestion? A rule with no consequences. I guess people should just be able to cut in line and ignore any other rules. I don't know how "hard core" a Disney fan you have to be to have it hurt your eyes when the flash goes off. I don't see where it would be so hard to explain that flashing camera's in a darken environment ruins the other guests experience and hurts their eyes. Hardly draconian.
Originally Posted By karlg You get what you tolerate. Once one person starts taking pictures without consequences others figure that it is OK and they start doing it and the problem compounds. I'm not suggesting that they be draconian, but rather that to do something to crack down on the people taking a bunch of flash pictures in the attractions. The problem appears to be getting worse. At a minimum taking people aside at the end of the attraction to warn them would help. But "education" is a non-answer.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I would support ejecting guests for all kinds of issues, but what happens when the first article tinged with a "Draconian Disney" spin is posted in the OC Register? It's nothing but bad PR for Disney. And there is nothing you can do to crack down without park ejections for the first infraction. There's no way to track infractions. That's why I think a more detailed explanation in the park maps about why flash photography on dark rides is bad and why it doesn't even work most of the time is more realistic.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<If someone is flashing on Pirates and then flashes on Small World>> I thought only girls did this on Splash Mountain.
Originally Posted By karlg "but what happens when the first article tinged with a "Draconian Disney" spin is posted in the OC Register?" Disney says that they were escorted from the park for being disruptive and hurting the eyes of other guests. What, Disney does not arrest and eject people for shoplifting and fighting or should they let that go to as it might cause bad publicity. I think if someone was ejected for repeatedly shooting flash pictures were it is (supposedly?) prohibited, I think they would get a lot of people saying "about time!" The people it would keep away are not the kind of people you want in the park. I think if you take them to security for a "talking to" you might see the practice curtailed. But putting more information on park maps is a non-solution and is only realistic if you only want to feel good about having tried to do something. In this day and age, if there is no penalty, then you get whatever people want to do.
Originally Posted By oredisneyfan there will always be rude people. You just cant let it ruin your fun.......We have had that same experience many times, even worse. When we asked them to stop they just did it more, at one point there were flashes like a strobe through the whole ride. My husband had some words with the kids when we exited the ride but they just laughed. So now I expect flashes, and am pleasantly suprised when there is none : ) If they are in a boat behind you, you could snap a few picture of them.
Originally Posted By pleiades357 Yes, totally agree, you get what you tolerate and I'm sure you have noticed, when you don't act on it, they raise the bar until you do. We've called out a few times, nicely but loud, "No flash pictures dear", but I can imagine with the wrong pair, that could escalate to something magic mountainish... I'd suggest having a cast member walk down the line, "anyone need help turning their flash off?" loudly, smiling, eye contact... I deal with the public a lot and education seems to be one key to getting good behavior, basically, I tell them and tell them and it becomes part of the consciousness. Annoying people works well, I agree taking the camera and expelling (except in extreme cases) seems extreme if a good result can be had another way, and I agree, if you take them aside and have a nice chat, a chat that delays them from their friends and the next ride... and do it as needed, it might have an impact. Announcing on the PA is no more annoying than the flash, and may give notice to others seeing the flash and think, why not me too? What bothers me is when the experience is reduced to the level of the lowest form of behavior, for everyone... the "manager" gave me the impression I was being unreasonable not adjusting to the flash. Perhaps they don' realize, the current calculation is that one person who complains represent ten who did not. That and the groups that push through line "joining" their friends.. We had so many people pushing past us at Buzz light year once that we had to move backward... and the people who trample us crowding in for a good spot for parades and fire works... it is starting to feel like MM. A guy was lifting his stroller, one of those cadillac models, over my friends head as he tried to climb over the ropes to crowd in for the fireworks, three cast members standing nearby turned away when I tried to call them over. So I told him to not endanger others, to go around. He got angry, cast members still looking away. He did eventually give up the attempt, before he fell on anyone or dropped the stroller (was really rude to his wife too). I do wish the cast members would step in, they have more authority and it would be more pleasant for guests... I think, walk the plank.... yes? or just hex them
Originally Posted By Dabob2 A couple of trips ago we had a wildly flash-happy crowd on our boat. "The voice" came on the loudspeaker at about the dunking, asking them fairly politely to stop. They stopped for a couple of minutes, then started up again just past the auction scene. This time the voice came on much sterner and told them point blank to knock it off. Then they got pulled aside at the exit. Now, these were middle-aged and (I'm assuming) foreign tourists, and maybe they actually didn't understand the rule - perhaps whoever was in charge that day thought they might actually get through to people like that, as opposed to local kids who would just laugh it off. At any rate, these people looked pretty mortified at being pulled aside, and I doubt they continued to do it.
Originally Posted By TempestsPrince Enforcement does happen from time to time. I've heard them announce it on PotC as well, but not every time I've seen flashes go off. Had a twenty-something friend that rode Matterhorn once (sometime in the early 90's) and was goofing with another friend and flipped him off. A cast member standing behind the friend being flipped off thought it was directed at her and at the end of the ride the operators moved the bobsled to the side track before my friends could exit. Shortly after that, my friends were explaining themselves to security. When they told me the story I told them it served them right for pulling that kind of crap at DL.
Originally Posted By oredisneyfan I used to stake out a good spot for parade or fireworks hours ahead of time only to be dissapointed later with the people who shove in front at the last minute. Now I have decided to find a nice place to the side or in the back where I still have good view but am not dissapointed by all the shoving and pushing you might get near the front. Maybe that is giving in but it is kind of like choosing a seat in the theater behind people who are already seated and not terribly tall......if I choose the seat with the empty seat in front of me no doubt the tallest people with the big hats and hair will come and sit there.
Originally Posted By TempestsPrince "That and the groups that push through line "joining" their friends.. We had so many people pushing past us at Buzz light year once that we had to move backward..." I remember a time when there were signs posted that said "Line jumping is cause for removal from the park." Pretty sure that they were at DL and not just Six Flags. A couple weeks ago Tempest and I saw a couple kids (10-13 years old maybe) do that in the SM FP queue which had about 30 people in it. We just sort of stared at them as they pushed their way to the front, handed off their passes and continued inside. We see this from time to time in a normal queue, but in a FP queue? Tempest said something to me about it. A minute later, two more tried it, and as they waited at the front for a CM to come over and take their passes, I pulled out the "Dad voice." "HEY!" They turned as though I had called them by name. "You can wait at the end of the line, behind everyone that got here before you." They didn't say a word, but slunk to the end of the line. Once we got down into the station, the two that passed us earlier came back in the line looking for their friends. Punks got pwned. By the "Dad voice."
