Originally Posted By dshyates Jin Hill is reporting in his Monday Mouse Watch that a Monsters, Inc. suspended coaster replicating the doors scene from the movie will be coming to the new PIXAR Place@DHS. <a href="http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2008/07/21/monday-mouse-watch-get-ready-for-wdw-s-monstrous-new-coaster.aspx" target="_blank">http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/...ter.aspx</a>
Originally Posted By kennect OK, read his piece and I find one thing very interesting....Someone around here that truly thinks they know everything about WDW said to me publicly that there never would be a Little Mermaid attraction at the Magic Kingdom...I then reminded them that the Disney company was getting ready to unleash Mermaid to the world on Broadway....My point at the time was to say don't underestimate Mermaid's potential for major focus in the parks down the road....Apparently "Mermaid" does seem to be in some plans for down the road...Whether it happens or not is another story...Sad part is the idea that it seems it takes Disney years to do something that should be a simple no brainer to begin with....
Originally Posted By Malin Ok Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Bugs Life, Monsters Inc are all attractions that are and according to Jim Hill soon could be found in more than one park at WDW. Why can't WDW set each character its own park and let it be. It works alright for Tokyo Disney Resort!
Originally Posted By figment1986 hmm... a suspended coaster that would fit into stage 1? interesting. Wonder who will be making it, since that's a concept not built much, inverted is common but suspended is less common.
Originally Posted By Mr X I can't really imagine how this could be high speed and at the same time well themed. I'm thinking the tradeoff will be a less thrilling attraction? It's a good concept, for sure, but I wish they'd go for a better idea than some inverted roller coaster. That sort of weakens it for me (although I can see the logic in an unimaginative imaginer looking at the movie and saying "INVERTED COASTER!". Something more along the lines of test track technology, or even *gasp* something entirely new would make more sense to me. Anyway, hope it's cool.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I can't really imagine how this could be high speed and at the same time well themed. I'm thinking the tradeoff will be a less thrilling attraction? >>> Good point. Consider RnRC: the theming is quite simplistic and light, but that's all you really need considering how fast you go by. I think you'd need to be going a lot slower than that in order to appreciate a complex 'doors' scene. And that would be fine by me. I think the visuals and overall wonder of being caught up in a well-done doors scene would be far more impressive than something that just goes fast.
Originally Posted By Mr X I agree that would be cool, although it would severely diminish the "cool" factor of being on a suspended coaster in the first place. Tough choice. Honestly, I'd love it if they went to the next level (as they are certainly capable of), and built a hybrid ride system that could propel you quick where appropriate and yet slow down to enjoy the cool scenes at times. Just a suspended coaster won't cut it, imho...thunder mountain is fun, no doubt, but I always chuckle when people compare one "show scene" to the other between the resorts...seriously, who really catches that stuff? (and how many repeat rides does it take? lol)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I think you'd need to be going a lot slower than that in order to appreciate a complex 'doors' scene. And that would be fine by me. I think the visuals and overall wonder of being caught up in a well-done doors scene would be far more impressive than something that just goes fast.*** The real catch 22 is...you NEED to be going fast to make it believable and comparable to the movie (they were going FAST, in any case). BUT, it doesn't have to be all "coaster fast", they could make some special effects that approximate speed (light speed on star tours, the effect of speed and motion in SpiderMan...certainly they aren't limited by how fast the vehicle is actually moving anyway). It can be done, I'm sure of it. And I know the guys at Disney are capable of it...I'm really hoping they pull it off in grand style, because done correctly I could imagine this being one of my very favorite rides anywhere.
Originally Posted By Mr X I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm cautiously optimistic on this one. Sounds like a dream come true, if they do it right (I know they CAN, I just hope the budget doesn't kill the incredible concept).
Originally Posted By dshyates My bad in the topic title. JH said "inverted", not "suspended". I got confused. So to move on, Vekoma makes a very reliable "inverted" family coaster that was put in some of the Paramount Parks and called the Rugrat's Runaway Reptar Coaster. It is 2 seats wide and goes 25mph. It uses a tire driven lift hill. These could also be utilized at various sections throughout the run to stop/slow the trains to view show scenes. But I doubt they will. Just on the lift hill and after the break run at the end. But at 25mph it should be easy enough to see what is to see. JH says there will be show scenes going up the lift hill and at the end. Considering how short the actual track will be given the size of the showbuilding that should be sufficient. I bet the ride after you leave the top of the lift hill will be in the 30 second range. <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig1897.htm?picture=7" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig1897.htm?picture=7</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmMJtXFwHT0&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...=related</a>
Originally Posted By Daannzzz I am hoping that they have a coaster that is designed to their specs to fit the story they want to tell as opposed to buying a predesigned small suspended coaster and then have to fit the story around it as in the example posted by dshyates.
Originally Posted By dshyates I am sure it will have a custom layout, and themed trains. And I'm pretty sure it would be a Vekoma ride system. I have ridden the Rugrats Runaway Reptar coaster and it has an absolutely horrible capacity. 650/hour at most. Thats less than Gadgets at 780/hour. If they don't use a custom layout with a track length at least twice as long it will be an absolute nightmare.
Originally Posted By figment1986 I'm still wondering would they really do a vekoma inverted rather than a suspended. At least with a suspended you have a floor of some kind, though the manufacturers for that are slim to none really. Also, as said Vekoma's new suspended trains are nice, but the attraction is low capacity, Remember how bad it is for crush at Walt Disney Studios, and thats just a sit down Mauer sohne mouse.
Originally Posted By brotherdave I was thinking the same thing, dshyates. My bet is it will be a custom designed 'family' Vekoma inverted coaster. However, I'm sure that it's capacity could be 'beefed' up. They could possibly utilize a two-loading platform system similar to Big Thunder to help speed up the process as well as a hydraulic platform that rises and falls similar to the B&M models to help people load faster, especially since younger riders will most likely be riding this ride. I just hope that they can work the kinks out of the ride system. Swamp Thing at Cypress Gardens is extremely rough with lots of head banging. Yet, the same model at Canada's Wonderland (Silver Streak), is exceptionally smooth. We'll have to wait and see what type of ride system they decide to go with...
Originally Posted By magic0214 I like this idea for the coaster alot!! I wonder though if the Monstrs Inc. overlay will confuse people to thinking its a nice calm ride like it happened with Stitch's Great Escape. I also like the A Bugs Life movie set adventure (which means take away all the larger than life items and put in A Bugs Life ones). The Cars land is good I mean if they could do the cars ride a little different than the one coming to DCA so it wouldn't be a real clone. The only problem is taking away Catastrophe Canyon. Maybe they could put a track through it. also what would happen to Walt's plane?? (smithsonian)
Originally Posted By Mr X **My bad in the topic title. JH said "inverted", not "suspended". I got confused.** How different?
Originally Posted By Mr X Just blue sky pipe dreaming here, but I really wish they wouldn't use any typical "coaster" at all. Why for? (yeah, channeling Jim I guess lol) Because in the movie it's obvious they are being PULLED along by some sort of mechanism (and then sort of "dropped" only when the track went downhill), and that's NOT how a coaster feels. What I *think* would make for a perfect ride is if there was some feeling of propulsion, such as the launch in RnRC or Hulk, or even the way the Rocket Jets felt. But, it doesn't sound like this is that. So, again, cautiously optimistic.
Originally Posted By dshyates The second I saw this ride system <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO2wwwRsyFI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...wwwRsyFI</a> I immediately thought of Monsters, Inc. Door scene. Unfortunately It was a pretty rough ride, but mostly because of the corkscrews. If they mellowed out the track layout and removed the corkscrews I think it would be perfect for the Monsters, Ic. ride. And have a much better view of the show scenes that could be built below similar to Peter Pan.
Originally Posted By brotherdave >>**My bad in the topic title. JH said "inverted", not "suspended". I got confused.** How different?<< There are differences between what is considered an "inverted" coaster versus a "suspended" coaster. Although both types of coasters involve overhead tracks, inverted coaster trains are more 'rigid', enabling them to do more acrobatic stunts such as loops and other inversions, while a suspended coaster allows the cars to swing 'freely' underneath the track. Here are some examples of each: Inverted coasters that 'loop': <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig1.htm</a> <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig57.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig57.htm</a> Family 'non-looping' Inverted coasters: <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig734.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig734.htm</a> <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig2718.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig2718.htm</a> Suspended coasters (free swinging): <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig17.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig17.htm</a> <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig111.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig111.htm</a> Family Suspended coasters: <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig559.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig559.htm</a> <a href="http://www.rcdb.com/ig688.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rcdb.com/ig688.htm</a>
