Originally Posted By Rebekah This topic is for discussion of the 12/6/2001 news item <b><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/629axcmg.asp" target="_blank">WklyStandard: The Decline and Fall of Disneyland</a></b> The December 10th <I>Weekly Standard</I> contrasts the Disneyland of yesterday with the Disneyland Resort of today. <small>Thanks to reader Jim Disney for this link</small>
Originally Posted By dreesens Oh B.S. THis is the same hogwash you get at those Disney bashing sites.....
Originally Posted By Futurist Let's take a poll to see how many posts this will garner. My guess..... 250 to 300
Originally Posted By Futurist Thanks Rebekah and Jim Disney. OK, so there are some flaws with this write-up. But the underlying message I'm getting here, is Walt's time was more about optimism. Where's Michael Eisner's era is more about greed. And whether you all want to agree to it or not....America is a (more) greedier nation than it was 50 years ago. When one takes a real hard look at the execution and design layout of California Adventure ... and then take a look at Walt Disney's Disneyland from a 1955 to mid sixties perspective ...there is a remarkable difference between both eras.
Originally Posted By JohnS2 "Let's take a poll to see how many posts this will garner. My guess..... 250 to 300" And half of those will be from WrongWay. (-;
Originally Posted By Dlmusic <<When one takes a real hard look at the execution and design layout of California Adventure ... and then take a look at Walt Disney's Disneyland from a 1955 to mid sixties perspective ...there is a remarkable difference between both eras.>> The difference is though, that in 1955 Disney seemed to know exactly what the public wanted. Now . . . well, you know.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<The difference are the non-existant bottlenecks in the new park.>> You betcha', it's wide open for as far as the eye can see and beyond. I guess DCA's space was planned for claustrophobic Disneyland guests.
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Originally Posted By tangaroa "And that anyone can get a job writing for the Weekly Standard. " So is this article representative of what 'anybody' might think? I dunno... seems kinda strange for some guy in Tennessee to think the same things about DCA that the locals do.
Originally Posted By jonvn No it's representative of what someone who wants to write a trite and cliched hatchet job on Disney thinks. It's not new. People have been doing it for years. This guy is just another in a long line. Did you see the line at the bottom regarding who he was? "Michael Linton is chairman of the division of music theory and composition at Middle Tennessee State University." That's a qualification to write about any of this stuff? I write stuff as long as that article in one post here, maybe two. So do you. Big deal. Some guy sends something in that knocks Disney and it gets published. If I had a nickel for every time that happened, I'd be able to afford to stay at the Grand Californian.
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Originally Posted By Jim in Pasadena CA I love the quote from the Disneyland plaque -- he wrote: "Disneyland is youth land." What a dope. After that I stopped reading. The quote should be: "Disneyland is your land."
Originally Posted By WrongWay I didn't see any trash in DCA. I didn't find the park to be generally ugly. I found the article to be poorly written for a national publication. I think it is always good to follow the general essay format. Lay out you thesis up front, expain how you'll support it, then support it. This article seems like it wasn't started with an outline. Far more appropriate for an informal BB post than a national publication.
Originally Posted By Zero the Ghost Dog "It's even dirty. Trash floats in the lagoons. Litter lies uncollected on the walkways" This describes all the Disney parks.
Originally Posted By cheesybaby <<The difference is though, that in 1955 Disney seemed to know exactly what the public wanted. Now . . . well, you know.>> Yeah, charging a "B" ticket for the caroussel, only to have to change it to an "A" due to public complaints. And that inspired Circus area over where the Matterhorn is now - man the company knew EXACTLY what the public wanted. The parks are trial and error. They were in 1955 and they are in 2001. You give the public what you think they want, then you adapt and evolve over time. Walt was a genius but he wasn't perfect, and he had blunders as well as successes.
Originally Posted By Zero the Ghost Dog Very nicely put cheesybaby. guest tastes are ever changing. what will please them next?
Originally Posted By Jim in Pasadena CA <what will please them next?> An ultra-themed 75 acre park, with 25 E-Ticket attractions, incredible shops, restaurants, and courteous cast members... Oh yeah, and admission is $12.00
