Originally Posted By mousermerf Apparently the film is supposed to be in pre-production and a reboot of the franchise. Just when we thought EO was going to free us of HISTA, they go and remake Honey I Shrunk the Kids. Le Sigh.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Personally this continued worship of M. Jackson is something I don't understand. In his early days, he was OK but later on he turned out to be a weird, strange, probable pedophile with absolutely no socially redeeming values. He's dead, let it go. I wouldn't walk across the street to see his reincarnation much less any reminder that he roamed the earth. Sound angry...it is! I am tired of misplaced hero worship. He is not deserving of anything more than our pity, nothing else.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss It might be hero worship for a few, but for most people the just enjoy his singing and dancing...and there is nothing weird about that.
Originally Posted By Manfried I'm shrinking! I'm shrinking! The incredible shrinking base of new film ideas at Disney.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I agree that theoretically there is nothing strange about it, but the way that everybody seemed to think he was a creep a year ago, and now thinks he's one of the world's all-time greatest musicians is a little odd. Yah, he's done a lot for popular music, but it was just bizarre how quickly everybody changed their opinion of him after he passed. And just because there's another Honey... movie coming out doesn't mean that HISTA won't get replaced. I think that higher-ups are starting to realize how dated and no longer entertaining it is, and know that it can't be there forever. It's out of the way location in Epcot certainly doesn't help its numbers any, but neither does a 16 year old film.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA It's interesting that people are able to separate celebrities from their behavior or personal life. Michael Jackson -- a lot of people seem to easily overlook his allegations of child abuse. Also the drug abuse. The general weirdness. 'He was a wonderful performer and I loved his music.' Okay. If Michael Jackson were an accountant, or CEO of a widget maker, I wonder how it would work if he wanted children to have sleepovers. Woody Allen. In my opinion, he's a weird-o. He married his daughter -- sorry, his adopted step-daughter (that's how people justify it, I guess). But he has a whole support group, and actors still want to 'be in a Woody Allen movie.' Roman Polanski. He allegedly had sex with a minor. He fled the country, and has lived in exile for years. He still makes movies 'The Pianist' and this year's 'The Ghost Writer.' People still want to work with him. Robert Blake. He allegedly killed his wife. He got crucified in the media. Apparently nobody really wanted to stand up for 'Baretta.' OJ Simpson. Kills his wife and his wife's friend. Sorry, allegedly. Where's the Juice's support team and fans? I don't hear people saying they want to remember 'the Bills running back, and forget the murder.'
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA And hey, another 'Honey, I Shrunk the (fill in the blank)' movie. Surprised? I'm not.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Roman Polanski. He allegedly had sex with a minor. He fled the country, and has lived in exile for years. He still makes movies 'The Pianist' and this year's 'The Ghost Writer.' People still want to work with him. << But he made 'Chinatown', man. What actor wouldn't want to work with him? Artists have demons, and they usually aren't role models who conform to social mores. That's been the story for centuries. ...But I realize that doesn't explain the trainwreck that is OJ Simpson.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> remake Honey I Shrunk the Kids << Just in time for the Academy Awards tonight...I'm sure HISTK: Reboot will be another quality product from Disney's live-action department.
Originally Posted By MPierce That means they don't have to redo JII, doesn't it. The whole MJ thing is baffeling to me. Why would Disney a supposedly pure family oriented theme park want to be associated with someone of dubious character like Michael Jackson. Here's a person that was totally weird beyond belief. Had sleep overs with minor boys. Was accused numerous times of sexual abuse of minors. Who died of a drug over dose at age 50. That sounds like a person Disney shouldn't even want to attend their parks. Money, and fame do very strange things to how some people react.
Originally Posted By spacejockey I'm happy Disney brought EO back! I'm so glad HISTA is gone. I just hope we don't get Monsters when EO leaves.
Originally Posted By brotherdave WDW is not getting Captain Eo. It's now only playing at Disneyland. HISTA is STILL playing at ECPOT, and will be for at least the foreseeable future.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Showcasing an "alleged" pedophile and, dead because of it, heavy duty drug user in a Disney park doesn't strike me as a wise way to show support to the victims or care much about children at all. I don't care how good he once was...I'm afraid that got canceled out. The man ended up being total scum, rich scum but scum none the less.
Originally Posted By Ohana well Goofy, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but the cheering crowds in each showing of EO really disagree with you
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Well, despite what anyone may think of him or anything he was alleged to do, nothing was ever proven and you can't deny what he was as a musician his entire life. It would be a shame to deny him of tributes or fond remembrance because of something that for all we know may never have happened.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Well, despite what anyone may think of him or anything he was alleged to do, nothing was ever proven and you can't deny what he was as a musician his entire life> see what I mean. the above is about Michael Jackson. Make a few adjustments, and it's about Roman Polanski. Well, despite what anyone may think of him or anything he was alleged to do, nothing was ever proven and you can't deny what he is as a director. And we wonder why celebrities are complete weird-os.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Without knowing too much about Roman Polanski's case, I'm under the impression that there is much more evidence to support the claims made against him, but you know what, that doesn't mean he ISN'T a great director. People can have horrible terrible qualities about them and have really good ones too. I'm not denying that Micheal was eccentric, and would I have left my kids alone with Michael Jackson? No way in hell. But you can't hang a person based on allegations. Who would want to live in a world like that? We can all still enjoy the music that Michael made, and even the movies that Roman Polanski directed. There is nothing wrong with that.
Originally Posted By Mr X I disagree, Jim. Polanski was convicted, was he not? Jackson was acquitted. Now, does that mean he was innocent? Who knows (he did pay off that first kids' parents), but it's still a murky subject to say the least. Having watched some of his extended interviews, I'm not sure at all (I felt pretty certain prior to seeing them)...I think it more likely he had some sort of weird mental illness that caused him the delusion of really BELIEVING he was a kid. He acted like one, he wanted to hang out with kids, and I think that's where all the "sleepover" stuff came about. Something wrong with that? Definitely. BUT, I don't honestly think he invited the kids over for sexual purposes. In any case, he was an amazing artist and I enjoy watching him sing and dance. Sue me.
Originally Posted By Elefun "I'm shrinking! I'm shrinking! The incredible shrinking base of new film ideas at Disney." As if the Muppet reboot weren't lame enough...
Originally Posted By Elefun **The whole MJ thing is baffeling to me. Why would Disney a supposedly pure family oriented theme park want to be associated with someone of dubious character like Michael Jackson.** By the same token, why would Disney want to make a biopic of Jim Henson, who was a womanizer and drug user in his personal life? Is any of that going to be addressed or revealed in the movie? With the Henson family in control of it, don't count on it.
