Originally Posted By WorldDisney Built at the entrance of HKDL like all the newer theme parks?? I been wanting to ask this question once a month for the last year and finally remembered when I was at a computer lol. I'm certain Leemac knows, but I doubt he even posts here anymore, but maybe someone else knows. It seems odd since the beginning of DLP, they took the last two parks (TDS and DCA) and built hotels in their entrance as well, so why didn't they do it for this park? It almost seem like a no-brainer to do this way. Just curious. If you don't know, I also welcome theories .
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ Oi! I'm still here. It was built for the views. The South China Sea views for both hotels and the additional pad in between was critical to the hotel location. Wing Chao said that the seaview was the most valuable real estate and it would only be used for hotels. Considering how spectacular the view he was right. Plus it is the only Disney resort in a true bay setting (no way OLC were going to build a hotel with Tokyo Bay views! LOL).
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Wow, I guess you still lurk here . Hmm, I didn't even think about the views at all lol, good point. BUT, Since they built two I still wondered if they could've built one in the front entrance and leave the other one for the bay views...but then yeah, I guess it would be an issue of having your fancier, more decked out hotel without those views...but I still like the idea of the front entrance and what's around it ain't too shabby anyway. Okay, I'm torn lol. I don't know, I would've liked to have seen it at the entrance, but I guess it doesn't mean if the resort truly grow and attract a bigger audience it CAN'T happen, right? Or am I wrong? Anyway thanks for the input .
Originally Posted By Mr X I don't see why not, someday. They're just building one at TDL now...(talk about crappy views...you've got the keiyo line and the highway on one side, and the monorail station on the other).
Originally Posted By gardabble For HHDL case, if they built it on the entrance then you would see an empty Phase 2 section of the park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<They're just building one at TDL now...(talk about crappy views...you've got the keiyo line and the highway on one side, and the monorail station on the other).>> X I must admit I was hugely skeptical about the TDL Hotel but having seen the plans and the VR views I can say it is pretty clever in its layout. The convention center is in the back of the building and virtually all of the rooms either face the park or have been "overthemed" to compensate. It is going to be very tall too. I think you will be surprised. It will definitely have a better layout and design to the MiraCosta.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm sure they'll do a good job of it... But I would think that a view "of the park" wouldn't be that great since most of what you see will be the world bazaar roof? Or maybe not, I'm just guessing.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Yeah, I'm curious how the new Tokyo Disney hotel will turn out. I thought the views wouldn't be all that good but if Leemac likes it, that's telling you something .
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ It is going to be a stunning piece of architecture and will hopefully have a lot more fantasy and whimsy that the MiraCosta. What it lacks for in views it will make up for in furnishings and luxury. It is a shame that it won't have the views of the DL Hotel at DLRP but the property itself with its gardens will be spectacular. I've always had huge issues with the MiraCosta from its tiny lobby to its private areas to its chargeable spa/pool area to its rooms "with views" that actually you have to crane your neck to see the lagoon. I know there are people out there that love it but for me I'd take the Grand Californian or the HKDL Hotel any day (in fact I even prefer the Ambassador albeit it has a terrible location).
Originally Posted By leemac <<But I would think that a view "of the park" wouldn't be that great since most of what you see will be the world bazaar roof? Or maybe not, I'm just guessing.>> I think that is a fair assessment, X. The problem with having WB built on a hill. OLC did look at the possibility of building it with a park entrance (where Meet the World was) but it doesn't didn't orientate properly and guests would have seen the back of Star Tours which is ugly enough on the front! I know years ago they did contemplate building a hotel at the end of WB (ie. where Partners is now) to give every room a castle view but they felt operationally they couldn't do it (plus the park was still "seasonal" at that time and had some very early closes).
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>The problem with having WB built on a hill.<< I am assuming that is the reason why the TDL Hotel appears to be so tall... No? I mean, the top floor rooms in the main central tower facing the park, will have a clear view of TDL's WB and Castle (and even a bit of TDS I guess) for what I can see as the construction progresses...
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ There will be some view but the hotel is limited to 8 stories in height. It would have to be significantly higher to get a clear view of the castle.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "(no way OLC were going to build a hotel with Tokyo Bay views! LOL)." Why not? don't the "Official Hotels" flank the bay? Is there reasoning behind them not wanting to put a hotel facing the bay? They did do that forced perspective thing at "Port Discovery" to make you think the bay was flowing into the park.
Originally Posted By leemac If you want to see tankers sailing past then Tokyo Bay is charming. Honestly the views at the Hilton and Sheraton are pretty dire compared to that from either of the HKDL hotels. There is little to look at except some industrial-looking buildings across the bay and big ships.
Originally Posted By Mr X I agree with Gurgi. And Lee. The bay looks AWSOME (imo) from American Waterfront and Port Discovery as it is the ULTIMATE "forced persective"...the whole park just goes on and on out to sea. To me, it's a beautiful and unique place in the theme park world...AND, the tankers sailing past just add to the awsomeness... HOWEVER, I understand Lee's point that, as a hotel view, that leaves a lot to be desired. It's just not a pretty view out your hotel window (but it's an awsome "context" view from DisneySea, if that makes any sense). I haven't seen any views from the HKDL hotels though, why is that bay so different? Just no ships? Or is there nice scenery off in the distance or something? I enjoyed alot of the Hong Kong bay views when I was there, but I don't recall anything that I would call "picturesque". Though penny's bay is very remote, with mountains and all that right?. I assume the hotel views are lovely.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***There will be some view but the hotel is limited to 8 stories in height. It would have to be significantly higher to get a clear view of the castle.*** So, we're talking views of the monorail station, the concrete entrance plaza, and the roof of World Bazarre then? With all due respect, I have to wonder why you think THESE views are going to be better than the lovely vistas from the Mira Costa then?
Originally Posted By leemac I don't think the views will be better at the TDL Hotel but I do think the overall hotel experience will be better. However virtually every park view with be perpendicular to the park (and the entrance) as opposed to the 45 angle or so that is common in MiraCosta Porto Paradiso views. I just never knew why they didn't get more of the rooms a panoramic view of the lagoon rather than some partially obscured views.
Originally Posted By leemac X the other issue with Tokyo Bay views is the weather. I've lost count how many times we have been on the top floor of the Hilton and had literally nothing out the window due to the mist, fog and smog. Although it is always amusing to see people trying to fish in that weather.
Originally Posted By Mr X I can see the direct views as an advantage (though what you are viewing is not as pretty imo)...however I get the feeling that Mira Costa was built as much for park guests to look at as for hotel guests to peer out from (if that makes sense). So, I understand your point. I assume top dollar rooms at the Mira Costa are pretty awsome though. The cool part about the weather (if there is one), is that DisneySea is the one park that I think looks BETTER on a cloudy or misty day. Weird, huh? What amuses ME about those fishermen/women is that they actually EAT those fish. With all those nasty tankers and pollution around, I just can't imagine wanting to eat something that comes out of there!
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< smog. >>> Tokyo doesn't hold a candle to Hong Kong's smog on days when the wind is blowing from the mainland. <<< I get the feeling that Mira Costa was built as much for park guests to look at as for hotel guests to peer out from (if that makes sense). >>> I never thought of it that way before, but I think you're exactly right. Only a few hundred people are staying at the Mira Costa on any particular day, but how it appears in the park is something that affects every guest. And, they sure don't seem to have a problem filling up those view rooms. I've stayed there maybe 5 or 6 times and have NEVER been able to get a Porto Paradiso room - they always seem to book out before the other room types. In looking at the Mira Costa's website just now, the Japanese version has some sort of dining promotion starting this month that's related to the release of Ratatouille. But, apparently the name of the movie in Japanese is "Remi's Delicious Restaurant." I guess Nezumitouille didn't sound right.
