Originally Posted By Mom2aDisneyboy I just read the article darkbeer posted and it sounds like if there is a strike the park will have long lines and chaos. I don't want to go during a depressing time for the cast members and have to cross any picket lines or anything..we are driving 8 hours so I just am not sure if I want to go or not. I almost wish I wouldn't have read that article because I guess I was naive and thought the cast members all seemed to love their job and were treated fairly. I guess it just took some of that magic away. Anyway we were planning on going starting on the 19th, I just am not sure if that would be the best idea now.
Originally Posted By Mom2aDisneyboy Also it said in the article there wouldn't be enough CMs to safely operate the rides...that doesn't sound good.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney When are you going Mom2? We are going from the 20th to the 24th. I'm not worried about the strike. Did you read the whole thread? It sounds like they do everything possible to make things good for the guests. Also, didn't one of the CMs say it's not even the Attractions CMs that are striking? IMO, those over at MousePlanet sometimes exagerate things for dramatic effect. I'm sticking with what the CMs on this board are telling us. Of course, our trip has been planned since Nov, my husband has the time off scheduled already and my kids are off track from school that week, so a reschedule is kinda out of the question for us.
Originally Posted By Mom2aDisneyboy We are going March 19th-24th..I know what you mean I don't think we could really reschedule either, I just hope it all turns out okay for everyone.
Originally Posted By seanyoda There hasn't been any strike vote, and I don't see one passing. Going back to the article... << One ride operator shared, “Over the past few months I have asked some of my fellow cast members if they would strike, and the majority of them said that they would at least for a few days. The feasibility of this, of course, is debatable. I believe we need three votes to go on strike and a non-vote counts as a no vote, meaning all of the college kids who don't give a da[r]n about the old-timers could be lazy and not vote, which would make for a non-strike.†>>
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Mom2, I just reread some of the posts from the other thread and I was a little confused on what I said before. Iluvdisneyland said <<Anyway, I've had my moment to rant. According to my own union, the other departments (Attractions, Custodial, Main Gate, Parking, Stores) probably won't strike for the simple fact that they no longer have a strike fund.>> I took that to mean those are the departments that wouldn't strike. But what iluv meant was that his/her dept of ODV didn't think the combination of those departments would ACTUALLY go on strike with no strike fund. Sorry. Anyway, hopefully it doesn't happen and we all have a great time. See you there in 12 days...
Originally Posted By Darkbeer I doubt that a strike would happen right away, if there was one approved, I thbink the earliest it could happen is early April, which would make the Union Happy, as that would match up with Peak Easter Break. I wouldn't worry about it if you are coming in March.
Originally Posted By Westsider There will be no strike. There's no strike fund, the union won't offer any financial assistance to striking CM's, and no one can afford to skip more than two or three days of pay. This thing has been blown way out of proportion by a small handful of bitter CM's. No one has the stomach to go on strike over these issues, if we even could get a decent explanation from our shop stewards about what these issues are exactly and why we should be so fired up about it. And even if we did go on strike, so many CM's would cross the picket line that with all the salaried Cross-U CM's filling shifts there'd be more CM's working in the Park than we'd know what to do with. Such a minority would actually stay out from work that there would be two replacement CM's for every one striking CM. This is all union bluster from a political organization who is terrified to see their old 20th century muscle wasting away in front of their eyes. And it's fueled by a minority of bitter CM's who stayed working at Disneyland a couple years longer than they should have.
Originally Posted By imagineer1985 Westsider- you say all of this with so much confidence? Can you imagine a TDA directing Traffic in the parking lots? Most of the TDA Cross-u's could barely handle crowd control? All i see when i work is thousands of college students who could skip work and stay at home if they needed to most are living off their parents. Maybe it varies from area to area.
Originally Posted By spaceace One thing to remember is if they do vote to strike it does not mean there will be a strike. A strike vote is a tool to show the that the best and final offer from managment is not one that the workers will take. Now one of two things can happen then, they keep talking and everyone keeps working, which is best for everyone and they get a deal done. They union can pull everyone off the job and go on strike, and then the replacements come in. Teh last thing that can happen is the workers get locked out which means that they will not let then work even if they want too (the same thing that happened to the Ralphs and Abertsons workers). It is sad to hear that the other unions at DL will not honor the picket line.
Originally Posted By iluvdisneyland Whoa whoa whoa, SpaceAce, I think you misunderstand slightly. The Master Services Agreement is what's on the table. Currently, it's in negotiation, but the Company isn't budging and neither are the unions. The MSA covers Attractions, Merchandise, Custodial, Transportation, and (I believe) Ticket Takers/Main Gate. It does not cover Foods or Outdoor Vending, Entertainment, or many of the other departments. Even so, those covered by the MSA comprise the bulk of the Disneyland front line force. Foods/Outdoor Vending *must* cross any picket line at Disneyland because we have a no strike/ no lock-out clause in our own contract. Believe me, it doesn't make any sense to me at all... union labor and we cannot honor another union's picket line. It's not that we don't want to, we can't. Most of us would gladly help our fellow Cast Members for the simple fact that our own union allowed a horrible contract and the implementation that followed on us. Imagineer1985, those college kids safely transport thousands of people a day into space, to Endor, into the Temple of the Forbidden Eye, the Spanish Main, through a mining town, etc etc etc. Don't belittle them just because they are college kids who you think are supported by their parents. That does not make them any less professionals and more importantly, that does not make them below you.
Originally Posted By imagineer1985 ^ yeah i wasnt trying to sound like that for I am one of the college kids living off their parents working at disneyland sending people to endor....
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger >> Imagineer1985, those college kids safely transport thousands of people a day into space, to Endor, into the Temple of the Forbidden Eye, the Spanish Main, through a mining town, etc etc etc. << Well, those darn kids keep putting me on shuttles piloted by defective robots, trains that run out of control, and cars being pursued by gangsters armed with barrels of "dip". And "The Inventor of the Year" award ceremony? Don't get me started.
Originally Posted By spaceace iluvdisneyland thanks for the info on which departments this could affect. I am not in the know on any of the DL union stuff so it is just the little bit that I have read her on LP. I feel bad for the ODV/food if they have to cross. I do have wonderful 5 months of the grocery strike/lockout experience so I am up on general union stuff. I myself do not want anyone to experience anything like that for DL CM's and DL Managers both. A lot of trust can be lost on both sides. Let's hope they do like the NFL and get an agreement that works for both sides.
Originally Posted By bean Most of the other unions have signed a new contract. So it will make it harder for the remaining ones to have a fighting chance. If they did try and go on a strike. Most CM's will most likely cross the picket line. If you ask me if this happened it would be easier to fire everyone in that particular union and help dismantle the union. Then rehire everyone back and watch as the union drowns in there own tears. The union didn't even have the strength or drive to represent its members in the shareholders meeting where it could have stated its concerns. Instead it placed a couple large trucks advertising itself and had a handfull of representatives do nothing while thousands of shareholders entered the stadium. As for the original question of this post, I would not cancel your trip. if a strike did occur it would create minimal impact on the resort
Originally Posted By Disnerd The unions that have signed are unions in Florida, a right to work state. The unions in Florida are a real joke. Florida Cast Members get paid way less, but then the cost of living is lower. There is no way anyone could live in Southern California on Floridas pay scale. Only foods and security have folded here at Disneyland. And I'm sure everyone has heard how bad things are in those departments. If not then go stand in line for food or try and find a security officer in DTD. DTD use to have a full force of officers. Now it has been reduced to two, East side and West side DTD. Don't be fooled by the companys spin on how other departments have embraced these new contracts. Bottom line is that DL will get rid of CR-25 and then no one will get more than 30 hours during the qualifiying periods. There by saving the company the expense of providing health care. I see the effects already when I'm sent to work the job fairs. No one is applying. Why do you think we run fairs every month?
Originally Posted By Westsider Because the union representing Disneyland CM's is worthless, literally and figuratively. And I'm being serious.
