Originally Posted By pixiedust1 We arrived at WDW in the am on Monday and noticed more security then ever and arriving at the gates to MK the lines were very long leading into the bag check area. My purse was checked more thoroughly then ever. I'm sure it was due to the violence in Virginia. This kind of stuff brings out the crazies!! Noticed many Orange County Sheriffs at the entances also. Was anyone else there Monday or Tuesday this week, and anyone else notice more security?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ yeah, and the mdeia running the films clips 24 x 7 with blaring music intros doesn't attract those nut jobs either....coverage needs to tone down and be more respectful - just my 2 cents
Originally Posted By trekkeruss IMO, the extra "security" is not to prevent a copycat, but for the comfort of the guests.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey I got really ticked off today when, everytime I went to CNN's homepage for the first half of today, there was a picture of that sic, twisted idiot with a gun pointed to his head or at the camera. It's time to focus on the real tragedy here - the loss of 32 lives, not the sick rantings of an individual who, in my mind, is better off dead now anyway.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I realize the guy did an absolutely terrible thing, and if I knew one of the victims I might feel differently, but I have some sympathy for him too. He was obviously mentally ill.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey ^^^^^^I don't. Sometimes people aren't mentally ill. There are a lot of sick souls in this world, such as Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, etc. I think this guy was just one of those sick souls, someone who blames all of his misfortune on everyone else. For the sake of the families of the victims, the media needs to stop giving his videotaped rants and photos airtime and start talking about the victims. Right now the media is giving him exactly what he wants: the popularity and recognition he never had.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy I think any of the above-mentioned people are mentally ill in some way. There has been research showing how specific areas of the brains of killers and violent criminals are different from the majority of non-violent people's brains. The chemistry just makes them behave that way. If he had just killed himself I would have had some sympathy (I don't blame suicide victims because I believe they have deep problems and didn't know how to get help), but when you go on a rampage like that ruining the lives of hundreds of people (victims and their relatives/friends), that's crossing the line. He had his chance to be stopped when he was under medical watch and care, and people tried to see to it that he was monitored/treated more, but then he was released under the false statement that "he's not a danger".
Originally Posted By ctdsnark Anyone remember when the yippies tried to "take over" Disneyland in '71?Supposedly,for the longest time afterward,long-haired males were actually denied entrance to the park---and I don't think that was just a joke they did in MAD Magazine! At the time,it seemed like American public opinion over Vietnam came very close to causing this country to descend into total anarchy.All of us Disneyphiles wish the Magic Kingdoms could remain immune to the problems of the modern world,but that just isn't so.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<I'm sure it was due to the violence in Virginia. This kind of stuff brings out the crazies!!>> <<We arrived at WDW in the am on Monday>> I rest my case.
Originally Posted By DAR I know it's an inconvience but I'd rather err on the side of caution. And those that complain about these meausures would be the first to complain if something did happen.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Yeah... most people complain after the fact, regardless. The point remains, these stupid check points do nothing to prevent what could happen. Just like all that is being done at the major airports in the World.. It's all a big fat joke that won't help much. It will take another 9-11 before the terrorists prove their point once again... then our lives as we know them will continue to go downhill..
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >The point remains, these stupid check points do nothing to prevent what could happen< Couldn't agree more. Two weeks ago one of the toy cops that pose at the security stops just waved my wife through without even checking her knapsack, because he was so enamored by a discussion he was having with another guest who lived in his hometown.
Originally Posted By Elderp I don't think security is there to find the next nuclear bomb. If anyone thinks a Disney security guard is trained for that, you have a false sense of security. I do think they are there to find glass and other items that might be dangerous should a fight breakout but the fact remains with the quantity of people they are scanning they are just not going to get to everyone.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys > I do think they are there to find glass and other items that might be dangerous should a fight breakout but the fact remains with the quantity of people they are scanning they are just not going to get to everyone.< If this were the case, then why did Disney decide to start the security checks post 9-11? I feel no more or no less safe in the parks than I did before the security checks. If Disney was serious about security they would have scanners like at the airports. What they do now is not scanning, it's more like going through the motions. The best thing about the security for me is that it makes it easier for me to find my brick on the walkway since it is just a few steps past the security tables.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>yeah, and the mdeia running the films clips 24 x 7 with blaring music intros doesn't attract those nut jobs either....coverage needs to tone down and be more respectful - just my 2 cents<<< Agreed. It's not about making a "difficult choice" to "tell the whole story" - it's about boosting their ratings. And everything/everyone else be darned. As for the security checkpoints, considering they accomplish nothing is pretty simplistic. It completely forgets the mindset of evil, disturbed people. They tend to be afraid even when there's nothing to be afraid of. Just the PRESENCE of someone checking bags can set them into nervous anxiety, enough so that they simply avoid the risk of being caught. So while the security forces are indeed pretty impotent to either detect or, on their own capacity, STOP a person intent on deceiving them, their presences DOES serve as a psychological deterrent to the vast majority of anyone intending to pull something off. Two observations - one from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle: "Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot." and from the Bible (Proverbs): "The Wicked flee when no one is pursuing."
Originally Posted By bayrr326 Security checkpoints are there to give you the illusion of security. They check people's bags but they don't make people empty there pockets or wand them. I rarely bring a bag to the park because I wear cargo shorts and keep a camera, wallet, cell and snacks all inside my pockets. If I can get in with all that then any terrorist could easily smuggle a device in. It is just there to make the "sheep" feel comfortable.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I don't think security is there to find the next nuclear bomb. If anyone thinks a Disney security guard is trained for that, you have a false sense of security.<< THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT!!! These checks are there to provide a false sense of security. And while I am not sure what kind of training these rent a cops get, I (as an airline crew Purser) ge more training in recognizing many types of explosive and gun types. While the WDW security may be looking for glass, Grand Ma Louella from TN, may be coming true that same security check point with plastic explosive sheets taped to her sagging chest, and be capable of blowing up halk of the MK and it's guests to smitherings... Point is... not until WDW makes guests walk thru a metal detector scanner, operated by a properly crew and X-Ray every freaking bag there is.. the only thing Security will be able to accomplish is.. stopping guests from bringing 6-packs beer cans into the park. The whole thing is pathetic. I go to WDW and am insulted by the barricades I see everywhere on every walkway leading into a park.. If they think that is going to prevent any weirdo from causing trouble, then their heads are stuck deeper into the ground that I had thought could be possible. The only way to keep WDW "safe" is to close it down and keep potential guests on I-4, off property, and even then.. that won't prevent the Memphis Belle from dropping another whopper from the sky, smack in the middle of the property.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Sorry about the typos up there... I get fired up and I speed type, hence the typos.. ge = get true= through halk= half We need EDIT fuction and spelling check fuction on LP!!!
Originally Posted By SuperDry How would this: <<< not until WDW makes guests walk thru a metal detector scanner, operated by a properly crew and X-Ray every freaking bag there is..>>> prevent this: <<< Grand Ma Louella from TN, may be coming true that same security check point with plastic explosive sheets taped to her sagging chest, and be capable of blowing up halk of the MK and it's guests to smitherings... >>> ?
