Originally Posted By WorldDisney Okay, Beamerdog asked for spoilers from the the film so here is the thread . So I have seen it here in Sydney and its the first time I ever seen a film SO far in advance before and especially at a premiere like this, so its still very weird to know I even saw it and especially the circumstance lol. So any questions, ask away. I will answer the best to my ability and as much as I can remember. Again, if you DONT want to know, PLEASE stop reading here. I can answer general, non-spoiler questions in the other thread I made (i.e. how long is the film, etc) so ask those there. But yeah, if you want it straight, this is the place to come for next few weeks . And I wont really give a review on it, unless people just want the entire story I guess, but I will say that if you been REALLY keeping up with the movie (i.e. listing to the interviews, the trailers, the Countdown magazine and etc) you pretty much know the story, but there are a few VERY interesting tidbits that make you go WOAH in the movie and one (I think anyway) nice storyline that I NEVER saw coming between some of the characters. Its VERY surprising (look at this, I already said heavy spoilers and I still have a problem just SAYING it lol). Anyway, my thoughts are still all over the place personnally. On one hand, its big, its bold, great opening, it pushes the envelope in terms of how it challenges the old storylines and 'cannon' and thats fine. Other hand, it felt a little off in some moments, the acting was generally great except a few IMO and I like the comedic moments but sometimes felt too much. But overall a good film . Okay, if you want to know what the hell I just meant, I guess you have to ask .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Okay that one is not too bad . Its basically the guy you see in the trailers and him alone, Nero and his crew. He's a 'rogue' Romulan so its not even the Romulan empire he's acting under. Its basically a revenge plot for him. Hope that helps .
Originally Posted By oc_dean I HATE'CHYOU I HATE'CHYOU I HATE'CHYOU It figures Australia would get this film first!! Us poor Americans have to wait a WHOLE month! boo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By Mr X lol... As long as you don't mind seeing all the stunt doubles with strings hanging off their backs.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'll fess up: I'm not a J.J. Abrams fan. I don't like Lost. I didn't bother to see Cloverfield. It all feels a bit too much like an emphasis on blowing my mind than having an actual narrative story arc. So tell me, is it satisfying for Star Trek fans? I would never call myself a "trekkie." I haven't been to a convention and while I have seen most episodes I haven't seen all of TOS or TNG (but I'm geeky enough to know the acronyms ). Does the film have genuine emotion? Are the characters compelling? Does it have a satisfying conclusion? Or is it a bunch of explosions, noises, and CGI? Does the action move the story forward or is it just there to get me to go, "Wow, that was awesome!" Inquiring minds want to know
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<It figures Australia would get this film first!! Us poor Americans have to wait a WHOLE month! boo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!>> Well to be fair, even 99.9998% of Australians still have to wait a month to see it as well if it makes you feel better . I think it was maybe 4-500 people at best that got to see it or however many people the auditorium held and thats it. However, we STILL get it about 2 days before America next month .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Well you can watch Wolverine in the comfort of your own home.>> LOL, I saw that too . Watched it last week. I think at the rate I'm going, I will be able to see half the summer films for free before May even hits . But yeah, watching an incomplete film on a 15 inch screen computer as you type a paper while you are watching isnt the same thing as this .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<So tell me, is it satisfying for Star Trek fans? I would never call myself a "trekkie." I haven't been to a convention and while I have seen most episodes I haven't seen all of TOS or TNG (but I'm geeky enough to know the acronyms ). Does the film have genuine emotion? Are the characters compelling? Does it have a satisfying conclusion? Or is it a bunch of explosions, noises, and CGI? Does the action move the story forward or is it just there to get me to go, "Wow, that was awesome!" Inquiring minds want to know >> Jesus dude, I thought I was only going to get questions like, 'so do Kirk make out with Uhura?' and you come around here and got to be like alll intellutual about it . Okay, will try and answer as best I can: Yes, Trek fans will like it, but it IS geared toward non-fans, thats just the truth. You dont have to go and watch the film and know jack about Star Trek, but yes if you watch the show, there is more then enough references and back story only fans will know to keep you entertained and of course its just fun to see how they all got together. How compelling is it? Does it have a emotional chord? It's compelling, especially the beginning when you meet Kirks dad at the beginning of the film. Its HIGHLY dramatic and emotional and sets the tone for the rest of the film. The character developments are good, but some are lacking like Chekov (and the accent gets annoying---fast!) and even Sulu. But the rest have enough punch to really keep you interested and that you are seeing a different, younger versions of these characters for the first time. They give Uhura waaaay more in this film then the original Uhura ever got for example (and there are LOTS of jokes about her not saying her first name since the original character never had one ). The stuff with Dr. McCoy and Scotty are fun. You dont get to know a lot about them, but you quickly get a sense of who they are and where they been. The actors does an amazing job with the roles IMO. Scotty was definitely the highlight and comic relief. Unfortunately he doesnt come in until halfway through the movie. But the MAIN characters, Kirk and Spock of course is where most of the development and core of the story is. Again, they do a good job and you really see a different side of them the show only hinted at, especially Spock. It was pretty interesting to see him as a kid an his character goes through A LOT in this film. You really feel bad for him. I still dont know how I feel about the actor playing him though. He really doesnt look all that much like Spock, not that it matters, but thats all I kept hearing and why he was chosen. Some of the mannerisms are good, but some of it a little forced. But he did a good job overall. And its a SPOCK story end of the day. It's a Kirk story in the foreground since we are invested in him and how he becomes Captain, but in the background, what pushes the actual plot is Spock and his relationship with Nero the bad guy. As for Kirk, yeah, well played, but the actor doesnt try to mimic what Shatner did or any of those pauses....in...mid-sentence and stuff like that. You get a sense of the guy we all know, but it is played differently although later he does start to seem more and more like Kirk. So yes, there are geniune emotions, there is a lot of inner-conflict, self-identity issues and the usual becoming a man through a crisis theme. Most of it you seen a thousand times, but done generally well here. As far as the ending, that has me the most conflicted actually. For one, it just felt reeeaaally rushed. So much of this film goes by fast, A LOT happens, but the ending its all kind of resolved with a happy ending way---even though its really not a happy ending. Yeah, confusing I know lol, but like I said ALOT happens . But I dont like how they just made Kirk Captain. Its all too coincidental to me. Kirk is basically a trouble maker through much of the film, half way through he starts to do the right thing and they give a cadet (yes, he hasnt even GRADUATED yet lol) who was actually being disciplined to captain of his own starship in a matter of days!!! Yeah, its a little far fetched and I havent heard one good excuse from a regular fan how this makes any logical sense, especially the end of one single mission. Give him a commerdation, promote him if you want, but CAPTAIN?? Matter of fact, if I got the story right, the character never even goes into space for the first time until this first mission (could be wrong, but you never see them in space before), so its a streeeeetch. But sure, there is TONS of action, it is an action film, you cant escape that, but there are a lot of quiter moments too. Its not all slam, bam, thank you maam but yes, the story drives the action mostly. You dont see a lot of unneccesary fights for the hell of it. Overall though, people WILL have issues with this film and certain things that happens in it, but I think most people who are just happy to see Trek on the screen again and these characters will love it for the most part. It couldve had more emotional pull and less comedy actually, but the people I saw it with seem to love it. The few people I did talk to after the film seems to really like it and some of the boards I been reading too. Its not the best Trek movie ever made, nor the second, or the third...but it IS good!! Hope that helps .
Originally Posted By beamerdog Thanks, WD! Do the Borg make an appearance? Do we get to see the younger parents of Spock? Did Leonard Nimoy have a hand in this? You already answered a lot of my questions. I'm sorry that the younger Kirk didn't have at least a tiny bit of Shatner's speech patterns. Oh, and by the way, does Kirk make out with Uhura? ;-)
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Happy to oblige Beamerdog . Even though I titled this thread HEAVY spoilers lol, I'm still having a tough time giving up the goods for some reason. So, I will just give very general answers, but if you want more details, just let me know. Now on to your questions!! <<Do the Borg make an appearance?>> Nope, not at all. Besides the 24th century time travel, its strictly a 23rd century affair. <<Do we get to see the younger parents of Spock?>> Yes!! Very early on in the movie in fact. <<Did Leonard Nimoy have a hand in this?>> Oooh yesh, he's in it alright and the story revolves him quite a bit. IF thats what you are asking I think? <<You already answered a lot of my questions. I'm sorry that the younger Kirk didn't have at least a tiny bit of Shatner's speech patterns.>> I read interviews and Chris Pine (whom I now met and we will be best homies soon!!) said that he purposely didnt want it to look like it was just a poor imitation of Kirk and turn it into a caricature since well, Shatner has been many times with this lol. I understand that of course, but you do get a T-I-N-Y bit of it. It could just be my imagination and the geek side of me hearing what I want to hear lol, but you can hear it in subtle ways in a few instances, but its just pretty much Pines speech style, which is very standard. <<Oh, and by the way. Does Kirk make out with Uhura? ;-)>> No, but she DOES make out with someone ;D. <<Oh, and are there any love interests in the flick?>> Yes, see the last answer ;D. I sooo want to say more, but I think its the highlight and big surprise of the film and kind of fun if you see it for yourself. That said, this IS the heavy spoiler thread lol, so I can tell you more if you like.
Originally Posted By oromyr99 Just one quick question. This movie messes around with time in the universe, deviating from the original series. At the end of the day, does the time line go back to normal or is it just the start of Abrams' new Trek time line.
Originally Posted By velo 3 "oold" questions... Is Christopher Pike ever mentioned? Will we be seeing Janice at all? Are there Red Shirts..?
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Just one quick question. This movie messes around with time in the universe, deviating from the original series. At the end of the day, does the time line go back to normal or is it just the start of Abrams' new Trek time line.>> Well, this is the $64,000 question there . And this is the answer, there is NO reset button here!! I think this is the first time where time travelling took place on Trek and whatever changes occurred was 'fixed'. Nope, what happens HAPPENS here and quite a bit of it actually. I think this is what makes the film really bold. Not everyone will be happy with the changes, trust me, but it does take Trek in a new and interesting direction IMO.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Hey Velo, nice to see you here . <<Is Christopher Pike ever mentioned?>> Not only is he mentioned, he's in it and plays a SIGNIFICANT role ;D. Yeah, he's one of the lead characters in the film and the one that helps shape Kirk to be...Kirk!! <<Will we be seeing Janice at all?>> I'm going to assume you mean the yeomen that had sort of a crush on Kirk? If so, nope, not in this one at least. <<Are there Red Shirts..?>> Yes, there is one that eats it good lol although technically not in a red shirt but red something .
Originally Posted By velo thanks for the answers, WD!! (nice to see you too!). I haven't followed much about this film but am excited to see it. We used to "play" Star Trek when we were little (I was Uhura) and my best friend was always upset that they did away with Pike. We loved that show!
Originally Posted By beamerdog Thanks, WD! Actually, I meant did Leonard Nimoy have any part in the writing/production/direction of this movie. But I loved your answer anyway :-D
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^Oh I get what you are saying!! I was a little confused because I figure if you were paying any attention, you would at least know Nimoy was in it lol. But to answer your question, no, as far as I know, he had no hand in the production side of it. They were already writing the script when they told him of the idea and he signed because of that from what I know, but yeah he's strictly just acting in this one.
