Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Yes ... in honor of Marty 'I birthed Walt and taught John Hench how to paint' Sklar and Dave 'I can tell you where every DL bathroom in the 1960s was located' Smith, I thought I'd offer up a thread about what's wrong with so many in the fan community. I'll save some hardballs for later. And start with a softball, but something that really ticks me off ... Fans who know Jack Wagner only for some stupid closing the doors on the monorail spiel in Espanol instead of the amazing wealth of work the 'Voice of WDW' did before his passing. I'd venture to say that 90% of the people (yeah, I'm pulling that number out of ... ) who think it's cool to repeat the inane spiel have absolutely no clue who Jack was. Sad. Now, please, add your own thoughts, peeves, complaints ... I have others, but I'm interested in hearing yours.
Originally Posted By DlandDug And here I always considered Jack Wagner "The Voice of Disneyland"... My pet peeve? "Fans" who find it just pathetic that the general public doesn't know details about anonymous announcers who have been gone since 1995, but will turn around and make mean spirited and demeaning comments about Disney Company personalities who are not only still with us, but who bother to offer honest responses when they feel the work of their colleagues is under unwarranted attack. Sad.
Originally Posted By leobloom God forbid anything be said against those sacred Disney cows that are still with us. Said with tongue firmly in cheek.
Originally Posted By DlandDug On that same theme-- people who say "What's the difference?" between Disneyland and Walt Disney World. My standard reply is, "16 years and 3000 miles."
Originally Posted By DlandDug Also have a pet peeve with fans who will get into a passionate argument about some arcane matter, then finish off by accusing the most knowledgeable one in the group of not having a life.
Originally Posted By DlandDug And a pet peeve (of the gentler variety) with fans who really, really get something wrong, but insist it's right. As in: "My family and I first visited Disneyland during Christmas in 1954. My sister and I rode the Matterhorn over and over again. It was decorated for the holidays with Swiss dolls from small world..." When it is pointed out that: A.) Disneyland opened in Summer of 1955, and, B.) The Matterhorn opened in 1959, and, C.) it's a small world opened in 1965, and, D.) The Matterhorn was never decorated for Christmas, let alone with small world dolls, they will hotly reply, "I know it was Christmas 1954 because that was the year we moved from Ohio to California. And my sister and I remember clearly that we rode the Matterhorn. And we even have pictures somewhere of us with the dolls. I know it." At that point, I just smile and say, warmly, "What a wonderful memory to cherish all these years..."
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo My pet peave is a fan community that walk around blindly not recognising the changes that are hurting the quality of the product and jump on you for pointing them out. I also agree with a number here. I also hate that people think the MK is the best theme park ever when they have never been anywhere else other than WDW.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I also get annoyed at Disney fans who go to extrems "There are no problems with disney parks" or "The parking lot was better than DCA" types. Reality is there are almost always shades of grey.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Ah, you reminded me of a BIG pet peeve... WDW fans (specifically) who, when learning that one is a Disneyland fan, smugly announce, "You could put all of Disneyland in our parking lot." Based on that criteria, Animal Kingdom is the finest theme park ever built, since all of the MK as well as most of DHS and a smidgeon of Epcot would fit within its boundaries...
Originally Posted By leobloom My personal favorite is when fans defend any change with the line "Disneyland will never be finished." As if that is defense enough for any and all changes that can possibly be imagined.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >People who call the theme park with the castle in Florida "DisneyWorld".< In all fairness, for many of us long time visitors that is it out of habit, since the MK was Disneyworld when it first opened. My first visit was over 30 years ago and to this day I find my self saying "okay, today we're gonna go to Epcot and Disney", only to be corrected by my wife, who has been on every trip with me over those 30 years. "No, honey we're going to Epcot and the Magic Kingdom". Someday I'll get it.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >My pet peave is a fan community that walk around blindly not recognising the changes that are hurting the quality of the product and jump on you for pointing them out.< That's mine. People have to learn that it's okay to criticize the things that you love. In many cases I would venture to say that the people who are the most outspoken about Disney's faults are the ones that love Disney the most.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead You know, there are different levels of 'fan.' One can be a fan, and devote every waking moment surrounding themselves with the minutiae of the company and its history. But one can also be a casual fan who enjoys the surface and chooses not to look too closely, either because they don't have time or they don't want to shatter the illusion. And of course one could land anywhere between those two ends of the spectrum. With that said, the only thing I have ever found wrong with a fan is when one thinks he is better than other fans. Sometimes they think they're better because they're more knowledgeable. That's annoying. But especially annoying for me is when they believe their opinion is the right one, and anyone who disagrees is obviously not a 'true fan.' And the internet has just made it all the worser. Jab. Hide. Jab. Hide. Jab. Hide.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris I hate when you casually mention you would like to Japan/France/Hong Kong to see the Disney park there(okay, maybe not HK)and people jump on you because you have the audacity to spend your own money and apparently don't want to see anything else in that country. And all this on a(GASP)Disney message board. Fortunately one of the most outspoken examples of this and other odious behaviours was expelled a little while back.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<And here I always considered Jack Wagner "The Voice of Disneyland"...>> I guess it depends on which coast you grew up on. Jack was the official voice of WDW. He was the one you heard on WDW Radio welcoming you to the Vacation Kingdom of the World as soon as you left Kissimmee's cow pastures behind. He was the one who helped plan your day with up to date hours and information. And then his voice was featured all over the resort. Jack Wagner was The Voice of WDW. <<My pet peeve? "Fans" who find it just pathetic that the general public doesn't know details about anonymous announcers who have been gone since 1995, but will turn around and make mean spirited and demeaning comments about Disney Company personalities who are not only still with us, but who bother to offer honest responses when they feel the work of their colleagues is under unwarranted attack. Sad.>> Thanks for adding your pet peeve. That was the purpose of the thread. As to the 'Disney personalties' you mention, I guess maybe you think they're not open to shots like anyone else? I like Marty. I know the man. I've dined with him in the real world. I've dealt with him on a professional level as well. But he's at heart a PR man ... and one who sold a chunk of his soul to remain with the company the past decade. The recent criticism that has been leveled at him is richly deserved. As to Dave Smith ... well, there's not much I can say here other than if he's someone who you look up to and admire you need to choose better. He's a troubled spirit and I really get creeped out by the worship that some fans give him.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<My pet peave is a fan community that walk around blindly not recognising the changes that are hurting the quality of the product and jump on you for pointing them out.>> A pet peeve on the same wavelength would be the inability of some in the fan community to not understand how you can criticize something and still love it all the same. I am often critical of my Mother, but I love her dearly and am so glad she'll be around to spend Mother's Day with me. Too many people think in very simple terms: black or white, good or bad, liberal or conservative, paper or plastic, Disney or Pixar ... the world is a complex place. <<I also agree with a number here. I also hate that people think the MK is the best theme park ever when they have never been anywhere else other than WDW.>> If all you've had is steak at Sizzler, how would you know how much better Morton's is? And if you weren't able to afford Morton's ... or if you felt you didn't belong there ... wouldn't it make you even more defensive about your choice?
