Originally Posted By skinnerbox Lee... Some insiders over at MC are claiming that the TRON attraction presentation will be happening within the week and that it's expected to get the green light. Apparently, the ride will be Disney's answer to Uni's Forbidden Journey attraction, with technology that "will make Indy look like a simple dark ride." Also, a TRON movie sequel is supposedly in pre-production and already given the go-ahead. Is any of this true? Thanks.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 Now, this would all be very surprising! Anxiously awaiting informed responses....
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I don't believe it for a second. Especially not with RSR still in production, which is eating up money like a bank bailout. Besides...it's FLE at WDW, and basically that's it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I'm doubtful as well... The movie did well, but it's no PotC, by any stretch of the imagination.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox That's my take as well. The pixie dust addicts are alive and well over at MC.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA RSR....RSR....RSR.... Not trying to be snarky here, but wondered if we could start a trend that when an acronym is first used in a thread, it is identified. Just the first time! Okay, so I give up. What's RSR? WAIT! Got it! Radiator Springs Racers! Is that it?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Not trying to be snarky here, but wondered if we could start a trend that when an acronym is first used in a thread, it is identified. >>> IMHO, that's a silly idea. WTF, Merced? lol
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Haven't heard this rumor at all and don't see it at all. Only Tron uses I had heard were for DL and all were banking on this film doing Avatar (or at least Alice) numbers. The film isn't a flop (and I haven't even seen it yet) but it sure seems to be a considerable disappointment based on the metrics of the industry. And merchandise is absolutely not moving at WDW or Disney Stores in FLA. I suspect more fanbois are buying in SoCal but the ComicCon crowd can't sustain a franchise alone ... and won't lead to Disney spending hundreds of millions on attractions. I don't know who is spreading the rumor, but since all Disney sites seem to be dying (likely thanks to the Disney Blog and D23 etc) I can see people starting rumors to try and be relevant. I intend to start a whopper when I come back from my upcoming WDW visit ... I'll just have to think of something. Oh, and I wouldn't expect an answer from Leemac for a while. He's supposed to be in FLA for a bit working on the Dream launch ... and likely seeing to it that his Dreams, Wishes, Magic WDC Visa gets some serious action
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< all Disney sites seem to be dying (likely thanks to the Disney Blog and D23 etc) >>> I know some people responsible for Disney fan site management. From their perspective, it's Twitter and Facebook that are leading to the dramatic decline of message board communities, not anything that Disney is doing. Ironically, many groups of people that used to communicate on a particular message board congregate on Facebook, such that there's a separate Facebook enclave for each "legacy" message board, and/or clique therein. This is true even if they are still active on the message board, only usually much less so. That's all well and good if you want to communicate entirely in clever quips, but if you want to have in-depth discussions about things that take more than 140 characters to express, and/or want to have ongoing discussions and a sense of history to them, fugetaboutit.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I know some people responsible for Disney fan site management. From their perspective, it's Twitter and Facebook that are leading to the dramatic decline of message board communities, not anything that Disney is doing. Ironically, many groups of people that used to communicate on a particular message board congregate on Facebook, such that there's a separate Facebook enclave for each "legacy" message board, and/or clique therein. This is true even if they are still active on the message board, only usually much less so. That's all well and good if you want to communicate entirely in clever quips, but if you want to have in-depth discussions about things that take more than 140 characters to express, and/or want to have ongoing discussions and a sense of history to them, fugetaboutit.>> I have heard that as well, SD. And I do think it is true to some deal. I loathe both Twitter & Facebook, truly ... think they are likely a sign of the end of days ... but there's no doubt people are addicted (many to the point it really is a mental health issue). But it certainly can keep cliques together. Of course, they likely pretty much all agree on most things do discussion (as we have here) goes out the window. It's a shame and yes, another sign of a Walmarted world. I do wonder how that plays into the way Disney is whoring out the Disney Dream launch. Basically any blogger (no matter how insiginificant, no matter how few hits they get daily, no matter whether they can write a coherent sentence) are being handed free cruises on the christening voyage (1/19-1/21). I can guarantee you'll see nothing but glowing reviews and no one talking about how you can take 7-10 night voyages to places worth seeing on other lines for what Disney will charge to take you to the Bahamas (YUCK!) for 3-4 nights (as an aside this is 100% different than what Disney did with the Magic and Wonder debuts in the late 90s when only real media and travel professionals got close to the boats) ... and what do these bloggers have in common (other than serious social issues, for the most part)? They all use Twitter and Facebook like lifelines. Just some thoughts ... that (hopefully) will stimulate some real discussion.
Originally Posted By DlandDug There is a legitimate, alternate train of thought that views the decline of general interest communities to the general lowered level of civil discourse in our world today. As communities become coarsened by "brutally frank" and "up-front-and-honest" opinions, many prefer to flee to the more selective confines of social networks with privacy settings. That Disney is willing to coopt this new social world is simply business as usual. The notion that there is something inherently wrong with relying on well connected bloggers is fallacious. If people are willing to accept what a site is telling them, Disney will be happy to have them spread the word.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< That Disney is willing to coopt this new social world is simply business as usual. The notion that there is something inherently wrong with relying on well connected bloggers is fallacious. If people are willing to accept what a site is telling them, Disney will be happy to have them spread the word. >>> It's really no different than what they've done for a long time with the major media: put on an extravaganza, giving the reporters a once-in-a-lifetime experience, and hope that the positive experience gets reflected in their reporting.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Oh, and I wouldn't expect an answer from Leemac for a while. He's supposed to be in FLA for a bit working on the Dream launch ... and likely seeing to it that his Dreams, Wishes, Magic WDC Visa gets some serious action >> Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Some insiders over at MC are claiming that the TRON attraction presentation will be happening within the week and that it's expected to get the green light. >> There is a management meeting in Florida as all senior folks are on-site for the Dream launch on the 18th. However anyone that claims that any project proposed is "expected to be greenlit" has no understanding of how things operate in WDP&R. Even projects that we all thought were dead-certs end up DOA and those projects that we think are the weak link (like FL Expansion!) get approved. There are plenty of things being considered for WDW. However there is a tremendous amount of nervousness over the robustness of the economic recovery and the fact that there has been a lot of capex over the past few years on both coasts (like DCL and CarsLand).
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>There are plenty of things being considered for WDW. However there is a tremendous amount of nervousness over the robustness of the economic recovery and the fact that there has been a lot of capex over the past few years on both coasts (like DCL and CarsLand).<<<< Things are always considered.... Until they need paying for.
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael I love how DCL is counted as "capital expenditure" on our coast...
Originally Posted By MousDad What exactly does "greenlit" mean, anyway? Is it the California model: "Announce the plans we are building, and they will come." Or the Florida model: "If we start building, the plans will come."
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<< That Disney is willing to coopt this new social world is simply business as usual. The notion that there is something inherently wrong with relying on well connected bloggers is fallacious. If people are willing to accept what a site is telling them, Disney will be happy to have them spread the word. >>> Except in the era we live in what exactly constitutes a well-connected blogger? Is it an Al Lutz, a Jim Hill, a Doobekah, a Deb Wills? A housewife on the Mommies Panel? Is it anyone who has a site that posts something about Disney and can use FB and Twitter to link to others who do likewise? And more importantly, to me, does well-connected mean well-respected? Does it mean they actually have the ability to put information in context? Do they have knowledge or just information (a HUGE problem with the Internet as a whole as people have more and more tibits of info, but are still dumber all the time). <<It's really no different than what they've done for a long time with the major media: put on an extravaganza, giving the reporters a once-in-a-lifetime experience, and hope that the positive experience gets reflected in their reporting.>> Ah, but it is a HUGE difference. Real media means (some)standards of journalism and reporting that aren't there for most bloggers. Reporters will often go on trips such as a launch cruise and then rip the product. They will (or most of them at least) be fair and balanced in the good, bad and ugly. I don't see that with bloggers when it comes to Disney. A real reporter isn't likely to turn into a puddle of drool if an Imagineer, exec or B-list celebrity speaks to them. They expect to talk to folks like that. Part of the job. But for a blogger (and let's be blunt, many have no lives beyond Disney and the web) those few minutes might as well be talking with Walt. Any real reporter would be just as focused with what Disney is offering for the cost of a cruise vs. others out there, but a Disney blogger isn't. They either have never taken a cruise with anyone but Disney (and probably don't care to) or they don't feel that Carnival, RCCL, NCL, Princess etc have any place in a story about DCL. That misses the fundamental point that Disney is offering cruises just like many others. Now, you can (and may) say that Disney bloggers are for Disney fans anyway. That's well and good, but the fact is there's a much larger market of cruisers in general who want to know whether DCL is worth their money compared to others. When bloggers take the place of real media, you aren't going to get that. The bloggers biggest concern is to not anger Disney so they can get invited to the Star Tours opening etc ... There's a huge difference between what Disney is doing now and what they did.
