Originally Posted By Malin Can anyone share information on the time-frame for the upcoming Fantasyland Expansion. Disney officially say that it will start opening in 2012 and finish by 2013. But what exactly is meant to open first and when in 2012 is the first phase going to open. I appreciate no one can give exact dates right now. But has anyone got any idea on a rough time-frame for the expansion and its construction schedule.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I believe Mermaid/Beauty and the Beast/Storybook Circus will open Summer-Late 2012, but I'm not 100% sure there. I know Snow White won't open until 2014.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Snow White to Princessland - Fiscal Year 2012 Mermaid and Beast - FY 2013 Snow White Mountain - FY 2014 Dumbo- Staggered in FY 2012
Originally Posted By Indigo That Fiscal Year thing is a trap since Disney's Fiscal year starts in October. "It's a Trap!"
Originally Posted By Indigo My information is a tad bit out of date, but this is how I understand it to be going down: Storybook Circus: FY 2012 They're working really hard to meet this deadline so capacity isn't horribly affected with Dumbo & Snow White closed simultaneously. But in order to meet other goals, certain things have to close soon. Snow White to Princessland - Fiscal Year 2012 (The closure will happen in 2012, but it may not open until FY 2013) Mermaid and Beast - FY 2013 Both of these are actually ahead of schedule. So that's good news. Dwarfs Mine Train - FY 2014 Cannot start until Dumbo closes. It also requires some work on the Utilidor... so keep your fingers crossed that this goes off on schedule. By sometime in 2013, we should know if Disney World has their answer to WWoHP or if they need to step up their game. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic, they'll commit to something at either DHS or DAK (or both) sooner rather than later.
Originally Posted By Indigo My information is a tad bit out of date, but this is how I understand it to be going down: Storybook Circus: FY 2012 They're working really hard to meet this deadline so capacity isn't horribly affected with Dumbo & Snow White closed simultaneously. But in order to meet other goals, certain things have to close soon. Snow White to Princessland - Fiscal Year 2012 (The closure will happen in 2012, but it may not open until FY 2013) Mermaid and Beast - FY 2013 Both of these are actually ahead of schedule. So that's good news. Dwarfs Mine Train - FY 2014 Cannot start until Dumbo closes. It also requires some work on the Utilidor... so keep your fingers crossed that this goes off on schedule. By sometime in 2013, we should know if Disney World has their answer to WWoHP or if they need to step up their game. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic, they'll commit to something at either DHS or DAK (or both) sooner rather than later.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<By sometime in 2013, we should know if Disney World has their answer to WWoHP>> By that time we'll know about Universal's EXPANSION of WWOHP. So really, the question changes before Disney can even answer.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>By that time we'll know about Universal's EXPANSION of WWOHP. So really, the question changes before Disney can even answer.<<<< ......... we already know the answer.....
Originally Posted By leobloom <<By sometime in 2013, we should know if Disney World has their answer to WWoHP>> Is this a joke? How do they not have an answer yet? Is there anything on the table after the two dark rides open in Fantasyland?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<By sometime in 2013, we should know if Disney World has their answer to WWoHP or if they need to step up their game. I'm hopeful, but not optimistic, they'll commit to something at either DHS or DAK (or both) sooner rather than later. >> If the Fantasyland 'expansion' is all the answer WDW needs for something like WWoHP, then we'll know that Disney will never strive for greatness in Florida again ... because it just is a lot of pretty windowdressing a C-Ticket dark ride, a coaster ride that currently has some FAT issues and two Dumbo spinners instead of one. All in the 21st century at the alleged No. 1 theme park in the world ... sigh...
Originally Posted By Indigo I would submit that the fan's answer is different than the corporate needs of Disney P&R. Disney just needs to know that they're not losing moms and their kids to that park down the street. The fact that they're still raising admission prices shows that their spreadsheets show WWoHP just isn't having that big of an impact on WDW's attendance figures. As it turns out, SeaWorld is taking the hit instead. So really any Disney fan that wants investment at WDW needs to hope that SeaWorld gets its head in the game and creates a must-see attraction of its own (I hate to say it, but don't hold your breath).
Originally Posted By leobloom >> If the Fantasyland 'expansion' is all the answer WDW needs for something like WWoHP, then we'll know that Disney will never strive for greatness in Florida again ... because it just is a lot of pretty windowdressing a C-Ticket dark ride, a coaster ride that currently has some FAT issues and two Dumbo spinners instead of one. << So do the consumers ever wake up? (Will attendance ever decline?) If the parks continue at this pace, there will be tons of better places to drop a few thousand if you're looking for a magical vacation. (Maybe there already are...)
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I think Disney can rest on what it has built for a long time. People do and will continue to head to the resort for a host of reasons. I expect that Disney's mgmt sees Harry Potter as a blip on the map. Universal will need to continue to build on attractions like Harry Potter to begin to make a dent in Disney's attendance. I agree that Sea World needs to get back into the game. I am not sure how they can do that. I dont think that Manta did much to increase attendance at the park. Does Sea World need to become a more ride oriented park? That might help. Maybe they need to become THE roller coaster park in the area. In some ways they are like some of the Disney parks in that they are bound by a theme that makes it hard to be extremely creative and entertaining.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>If the Fantasyland 'expansion' is all the answer WDW needs for something like WWoHP, then we'll know that Disney will never strive for greatness in Florida again ... because it just is a lot of pretty windowdressing a C-Ticket dark ride, a coaster ride that currently has some FAT issues and two Dumbo spinners instead of one.<<<< If the coaster has enough show scenes, maybe it'll be a E Tic..?
Originally Posted By leobloom Manta is a lot of fun -- probably my favorite coaster in Orlando -- but I agree it isn't the kind of ride that's going to create a sea change in Orlando park attendance.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> If the coaster has enough show scenes, maybe it'll be a E Tic..? << Say that with a straight face, I dare ya.
