Originally Posted By DannyDisneyFreak I'm new around here at LP and was so confused to see a topic about the dislike of the fastpass system so I had to just say I LOVE Fastpass! It was such a Godsend on our last trip to WDW. My question is why would anyone dislike it, if you don't want to use it just don't use it, the fact that some popular attractions runout by late morning or mid-day is proof that it is used and enjoyed by the masses.
Originally Posted By paulyahoo << the fact that some popular attractions runout by late morning or mid-day is proof that it is used and enjoyed by the masses >> That's exactly the reason why APers hate it.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Um...well I like it. This thread is going to start this whole thing over again! HAHAHAHAHA Welcome to LP DannyDis. The regulars here are wonderful people, so sit down, put your feet up and stay a while.
Originally Posted By DannyDisneyFreak <<That's exactly the reason why APers hate it.>> I hate brussel sprouts so I just don't eat them...
Originally Posted By paulyahoo To hate something and be hated for liking something are two different things.
Originally Posted By LadyandtheTramp "I hate brussel sprouts so I just don't eat them..." But if someone were shoving them down your throat and forcing you to eat them, wouldn't that be a different matter? Because that's what FP is all about - whether you personally use it or not, the fact that it's there and others are using it impacts you directly. See the other thread for the explanation why.
Originally Posted By LadyandtheTramp Oh, and for your information - while I may not agree with the idea behind FP, and would like to see it gone, I do use it essentially every time I'm at Disney. Hey, if I don't use it, I'm just hurting myself.
Originally Posted By mickeyfreak13 >But if someone were shoving them down your throat and forcing you to eat them, wouldn't that be a different matter? Because that's what FP is all about - whether you personally use it or not, the fact that it's there and others are using it impacts you directly. See the other thread for the explanation why.> Hmmm...someone forcing Brussels sprouts down my throat equates to someone using the FP. Nope, don't get it. Sorry. Now this next paragraph may seem a bit antagonistic, but I am not trying to pick a fight.Please believe me I have read the other thread and I do not understand the acrimony. Is it because you are not getting to the front of the line first? Is it because the other people planned their day around using FP and when you went on your trip? When you get mad when somebody else is using the FP and you are in stand by, what is it exactly that upsets you? I know that you have been sitting in the weather for <insert time here> and somebody just trots on. I realize that at times the load ratio is uneven. I have been in standby many time wishing that I had a FP, but I plan my trips to cover many days. If I do not get on <insert attrsction here> today I will adjust my plans for the next to make sure I can the next. Also as an AP, by implication, you have more opportunities to visit the parks. Which in turn implies that you <AP holders> have more chances to get on the rides. >Oh, and for your information - while I may not agree with the idea behind FP, and would like to see it gone, I do use it essentially every time I'm at Disney. Hey, if I don't use it, I'm just hurting myself.> If you understand the FP system and use it to your advantage, why is it a bad thing? Just a few random thoughts....to paraphrase the words of chairman Kaga "Alleze FP ! !"
Originally Posted By sjhym4 I am not an AP holder and at 11am all the FP's were gone for Everest and the wait time was 90 mins. Soarin was over 80 mins. Thats why many people dislike it
Originally Posted By danyoung Whether FP was in place or not, the queue for a new blockbuster attraction like Everest is going to be 90 to 120 minutes long. So thousands of people got to the park early, got their FP's, and enjoyed the ride without blowing 2 hours in a line. Sounds like a GREAT deal to me! I'll never forget the queue for DL's Indy - all the way out through Adventurland, around the side of the hub, and into Frontierland almost to the Mark Twain dock! You either got there first thing in the morning or you waited in that queue. It's the single longsest line I've ever stood in, and I remember it as a complete and utter waste of time. It they had had FP, I would have grabbed a FP sometime during the first few hours of the day and then gone on to enjoy my morning.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Standby wait time can be controlled to a large extent by when you are visiting the attraction. I rode Soarin' standby at Epcot with a 10 minute wait my being there right after opening. I rode Everest at the AK with a 30 minutes wait by being there shortly before closing and while the parade was going on. I'm not opposed to Fastpass. I almost always use it for Peter Pan and Pooh which have ungodly lines crawling with kids and nothing to look at. But I've also found that I can ride most attractions standby if I hit them at the proper times.
Originally Posted By sjhym4 so danyoung, please explain to me how Space Mountain had a 90 min wait on a day that pre-FP would probably be around 40-45 mins?
Originally Posted By schoolsinger I liked fastpass when it was new and barely anyone knew about it. Now that more people know about it, fastpasses run out too fast and there are bigger impacts on lines.
Originally Posted By mickeyfreak13 >so danyoung, please explain to me how Space Mountain had a 90 min wait on a day that pre-FP would probably be around 40-45 mins?> I will take a stab at this if I may. Pure supposition on my part, but is it possible with the marketing that there might be more people on the attractions? Also, would it correct to assume that people, seeing that the ride has a 45-50 minute line, went elswhere in the park? Again just some thoughts on the subject. Do I think that maybe the ratio needs to be altered? Yes, but I am not the in charge of that decision.
Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy <<explain to me how Space Mountain had a 90 min wait on a day that pre-FP would probably be around 40-45 mins?<< pre-FP days I think you are talking about just after 9/11. I think attendence has gone up since then. More guest longer wait times. <<like it did yesterday<< Bike week and sping break. Peak time at WDW = longer wait times.
Originally Posted By danyoung >so danyoung, please explain to me how Space Mountain had a 90 min wait on a day that pre-FP would probably be around 40-45 mins?< We've discussed this at great length in other threads, and I agree that the standby lines are probably a bit longer now than they would have been pre-FP. I understand the concept of a person basically waiting in 2 lines at once when holding a FP, which is indeed a drawback of the system. And as I said, for me I wouldn't wait 40 to 50 minutes for Space Mountain, much less 90 minutes. So it doesn't matter to me once the queue is longer than around 30 minutes or so - I'll just skip it and come back later, or tomorrow, or next trip. Or get a FP and plan on coming back later. When you balance out all of the advantages of FP against the disadvantages (and there are indeed some), it still works out better for me to use the system to my benefit. I have enough working brain cells to figure out the not very complicated system, and have enjoyed a whole bunch of time NOT standing in the long queues. It works very well for me. And as I've said, while I feel for those folks waiting in the very slow moving standby line, that's their choice, just as it's my choice to use FP.
Originally Posted By sjhym4 I understand it works for you. Thats great. My take is that across the time span of a year it makes the experience worse not better. When on a moderately busy day like yesterday, FP's are gone before noon and wait times hover 80 mins for most attractions then I dont see how its a good thing. 80 mins for PETER PAN? I was a mgr for Peter Pan and I can count on 2 hand in a years time that Peter Pan got over 1 hour. 80 mins yesterday and its not Easter. There is something terribly wrong in Walts park when Peter Pan gets to 80 mins with yesterday in park. And that is all I am going to say anymore about FP.
Originally Posted By basas Exactly^ The fact is that people who dislike FP can't simple "not use it" or, "ignore it". FP effects the experience for everyone, not just guests who choose to use it. Now, I am fine accepting other's opinions regarding FP (whether pro, or against), because many people understand the arguements against and for FP, but believe one simple outweights the other. What does get me mad, however, is when people start coming on talking about how anyone who doesn't like FP simple is 'too dumb to understand the system', and comments along these lines. The other classic one: people complaining they couldn't have gone to the park without FP and enjoyed themselves...apparently they don't realize that the parks lasted without if for 45 years (DL anyways), and including in that time were the busiest years on record.
