Originally Posted By DlandDug So, we just got back from the 10:40am showing of TRON:Legacy. I have been worried about this film for a couple of years-- that it wouldn't live up to the original, or worse, that it would! I really like TRON:Legacy. It was much, much better than I anticipated. But I can also see how it may not find an audience. That would be a shame, as I believe it could spawn a good franchise. In fact, I can see the elements for the next TRON, assuming this one justifies it. Sam Flynn is clearly coming back to Encom, which sets up a conflict with Dillinger's son, Edward. (Who knew he was in the picture?) The unbilled performer is Cillian Murphy of 28 Days Later, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Inception and others. Clearly, he's there to play a bigger role in the "next" film. Further, in the Grid, we never did see Zuse and Gem's ultimate fate-- just the two of them looking tense, then an exterior shot of the destruction of the End of Line. And I could swear there was a closeup shot of an individual "soldier" in Clu's army who was, indeed, Gem. Beau Garrett has been given a LOT of publicity for this film-- and Michael Sheen's character was too fun to throw away so quickly. They could easily be comic villains in the next film, aiding or opposing whatever program Edward Dillinger cooks up. I want to see more!
Originally Posted By DlandDug My bad. I see there's already a thread discussing "TRON 2" over here: <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-117591-P-1.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-1.asp</a> I will repost the above there...
Originally Posted By magic0214 The ending could lead up to some GREAT sequels, and I hope this becomes a huge franchise, because I enjoyed the film very much. Cora was my favorite character, and if the sequel comes the whole Isotopes-in-the-real-world-thing can be shown
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "And I could swear there was a closeup shot of an individual "soldier" in Clu's army who was, indeed, Gem." I caught that too! I think it is the only close-up of any of the warriors, so it makes some sense that they would do it intentionally. The way they showed the bar blowing up made me think that they wanted to leave it vague on purpose. Speaking of vague (and as long as we're talking in spoilers here), can anybody explain to me what exactly happened at the end? Tron ended up in the 'water', but did he die? And what about the thing where the older Flynn seemed to destroy the grid? Did he actually end the world, a la Noah's flood, or was it something else. The cut from that to Sam and Quorra in the real world was too quick for me to really grasp what had happened. I'm really impressed with the broad literary themes that they managed to work in here. In a way, it seems a lot like Star Wars, where the story is very clear, but there's a whole different set of stuff going on behind the surface. I think that will make it a great movie (and hopefully franchise) to watch over and over, since there will always be things to catch and make connections in real life (unlike series like POTC, which are fun, but don't have broader themes). It's been quite a while since I saw a film do this type of thing well, so I'm glad it worked out in this case.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Tron ended up in the 'water', but did he die?>> I was wondering that too - did you notice how his suit color changed back to blue as he was sinking? I was expecting him to popup at the end to save the day, but they didn't go that route. My guess, they're saving him for the sequel!
Originally Posted By magic0214 Since we are popping out questions, Did Quorra send him to Zeus knowing that he was bad? That section I did not understand
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hey TRON fans, I recommend the graphic novel TRON Betrayal, it plays with some of these ideas too. But I did love it. I think Gem did survive. TRON there is a question mark, but it could be possible. Though I think it moot as Kevin Flynn destroyed the Grid along with CLU and himself. As for Cora knowing Zeus was evil, I do not think she was aware. The themes are explored in the comic. I think it is a case that he, like TRON fought for the users, but after feeling abandoned by Kevin Flynn after the death of Sam's mom, fought for perfection. FWIW, CLU was not bad per se, he was following his programming, it was Flynn that changed perspective when the ISOs came on line. But yes, my friend Mark and I did say we felt like the first time we saw Star Wars. It is funny, some people are saying it is story light, but I found the story to be very engaging. Maybe my 28 year obession with TRON helped me. and wow, it was beautiful. My only annoyance was Zeus, really bad acting there.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Zeus seemed to be somewhat channeling Malcom McDowell's character in "A Clockwork Orange" (at least it seemed that way to me). His and Gem's betrayal seemed to happen much too quickly. That, to me, should have led to a more climatic revelation than what happened. As for Tron, he obviously became "good" at the end. Somehow, I think he survived in some way. I also don't think the Grid was totally destroyed, but possibly "purged" of all that was bad. Just my thoughts on the ending. Then again, perhaps Kevin and or Sam "saved" the grid on the disk (a backup, if you were). Afterall, this is a computer generated world, so it could be "saved". It also has me wondering if Kevin's digital self was "saved" on his identity disk, thus possibly being able to be recreated someday if the Grid is restored and rebooted, as it were. The world of computers is limitless, as we know and continually changing. As for references from the original film that I was thrilled to see: - "Edward Dillinger" being introduced - TRON having a pivotal role - The old style lightcycle - The Solar Sailer being used again - The tanks driving below - The name "DUMONT" on the garage where Sam lived (a direct reference to where Dr. Walter Gibbs began ENCOM since his Progam's name was DUMONT?) Big geek question, though... According to the official TRON timeline on the it's website, Alan Bradley married Dr. Lora Baines. But what happened to her Program, Yori??? She was never mentioned in the film.
Originally Posted By JeffG My favorite quick reference to the original film was Sam's "Now that's a big door" comment as he arrived at Encom. It was a repeat of a line delivered by Flynn in the first film and he matched the inflection almost exactly. -Jeff
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>> According to the official TRON timeline on the it's website, Alan Bradley married Dr. Lora Baines. But what happened to her Program, Yori??? She was never mentioned in the film.<<< In the comic it is explained how the GRID is a new system, and how TRON was ported in due to his skills (or functionality). I am guessing YORI was not required in the new system (or indeed may have been killed after TRON's conversion as CLU's minion?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Jeff and Dave, I loved those referrences too. I also thought it was cool how Sam had a Black Hole poster on his wall as a kid.
Originally Posted By dizkid One reason I loved this movie so much is that it is one of the first movies I have seen in a long time that I really felt like the creators were really trying to go along with Joseph Campbells "A Heroes Journey" theory. Although at many points the steps are mismatched I thought I would try and put together the steps with their counterparts in the movie. The Call to Adventure- Alan comes to Sam and tells him about his father and the page he recieves. Alan also asks Sam to try and save ENCOM. Refusal of the Call- Sam refuses to try and save ENCOM and dismisses the page as a coincidence only eventually going to the arcade out of curiosity. Supernatural Aid- Sam is scanned by the computer. The Crossing of the First Threshold- Sam leaves the arcade and enters the grid. The Belly of the Whale- Sam is captured by the Black Guard on the Recognizer. The Meeting with the Goddess- Quorra, last heroine of the resistance (ie the Warrior Princess), saves Sam and takes him to his father. Woman as the Temptress- Gem meets with Sam and takes him to Zuse where he is betrayed and nearly is killed. Atonement with the Father- Kevin realizes that Sam is right, and he can no longer Apothesis- Sam and Quorra return from their near death experience at the club wiser and with the intention to get back Kevin's identity disc. The Ultimate Boon- Sam recaptures the identity disc from Clu before he can use it to conquer earth. Refusal of the Return- Kevin realizes he should not return to the earth so he switches his disc with Quorra's disc so she and Sam can return safely. The Magical Flight- in order to protect the disc the trio engage in a light-jet dog-fight to get to the light. Rescue from Without- Sam reaches the light and leaves, but not without his partner Quorra. The Crossing of the Return Threshold- Sam returns to the real world. Master of the Two Worlds- Sam downloads the grid onto a chip he can control, making him the master of the grid. He also tells Alan he is going to be taking back control of ENCOM, although not making him master of earth it does establish that Sam is now the master of his own life rather than being reckless with it. Freedom to Live- Sam and Quorra now are on their path to the future, which while they cannot be sure of they now have their own inner-control. Many of you will recognize this same arch occurring in almost all great heroic stories, such as Star Wars and the Lord of the Rings. The heroes journey is very much based on the story of Hercules as well as other ancient Greek myths. It is great to see that the comprehension of it still alive in Hollywood where so much of what we see nowadays is built on unimaginative ideas.
Originally Posted By dizkid Sorry I forgot one of the steps right after the belly of the whale. The Road of Trials- Sam is forced to compete in the disc wars and lightcycle battles.
Originally Posted By dizkid Sorry one more... "Atonement with the Father- Kevin realizes that Sam is right, and he can no longer" should have been Atonement with the Father- Kevin realizes that Sam is right, and he can no longer remain a casual observer while Clu takes over the grid and the real world.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Lovely post Dizkid that articulates exactly why I love this movie, and is one that has resonated with me so much. Star Wars is my top fil of all time, and as a kid I loved reading Homer, J R R Tolkien, heck even the Princess Bride, Treasure Island and the Neverending Story have a similar ark. All stories that touched me deeply. And yet, it is a set of messages that do not seem to resonate much with a lot of reviews I have been reading sadly.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Slight aside, but typically as I have been losing a lot of faith in Disney in recent years, this once again restored some faith for me. And that makes me really happy!
Originally Posted By dizkid Thanks Dave, This movie really affirmed my faith that Disney now understands that it isn't the genre that makes the film popular but the story. Like in previous years when they didn't understand that picard films were popular not just cause they were CG but because the stories were great. So now i think they will know that that making a scifi film is ok as long as the story is actually good.
Originally Posted By dizkid "picard" yes the films of Captain Picard were very popular. Should have been pixar. I am typing these posts out on an iPod touch so it automatically changes the words it thinks are wrong.
Originally Posted By Manfried I thought the film was great. Apparently Mister Lutz didn't think so. "Hoo-boy! Wasn't TRON a stinker? - Al Lutz" Boy is he wrong.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well as right or wrong as one's opinion can be. I really loved TRON. And I like Country Bears and Haunted Mansion. I am not a huge fan of Finding Nemo, but I love Cars. All opinion.
