Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs With recent events in national and local news, I was just wondering what all of you thought about this...Do you feel that it is truly the only way out of a situation?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I can think of no circumstance that would cause me to want to kill myself. But, for the weak-minded there often seems no other option. I dated a gal who had suicidal thoughts and no amount of reason seemed to work. In my opinion there is a mental illness issue that comes in to play with those who decide ultimately to take their own life.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm not sure of the events you are talking about, but I would say that suicide is almost never an acceptable solution. The exception I would make is suicide by a person who is terminally ill and suffering great pain.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Here we go with 'weak' again... If someone is mentally ill, and suffers depression, and has thoughts of suicide, does that make them weak? Any more than someone suffering from colon cancer? Is that person 'weak' because they're ill with cancer? Weak... That word really ticks me off.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, I should have clarified that I wasn't talking about ending one's life due to severe medical circumstances (ie terminal illnesses). I was thinking more along the lines of "geez...I'm in trouble with the law, got caught cheating, etc" and the only way out is to kill myself. I apologize Jim.
Originally Posted By LuLu Yeah, I'm totally confused as to what events you're talking about. I don't really keep up on the news, but I did read the paper yesterday. What am I missing? I don't think suicide is an acceptable solution to anything, with the possible exception Trippy mentioned. I think there are examples of people who have overcome unbelievable odds to turn their lives around, so no, I don't think suicide is *ever* the only way out. I also don't think it has anything to do with being weak-minded, I choose to believe (right or wrong) that a person who can feel that hopeless is really not in their right mind. I do have empathy for them, as oppsoed to looking down on them as weak. 5BR, I don't know if you're speaking about yourself, but if so please get help immediately. Feelings will pass, suicide is forever.
Originally Posted By DlandJB Ditto what Lulu said. 5BR, please clarify. As a wife widowed by suicide I'm most concerned by your words. For a person who completes suicide causes their friends and family to die 1,000 more times. What's up?
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Originally Posted By wahooskipper I might have more right than you know but I did offer clarification and an apology which I believe was adequate. FiveBear did solicit opinions, or did I misread that? I'm sorry for your loss Dland...but I think you were a bit harsh.
Originally Posted By DlandJB Actually, Wahoo, you only apologized for suggesting that those who were terminally ill were not "weak minded" about suicide. The point is, we are not the ones who may judge the state of someone's mind when they attempt or complete this act. And to call someone "weak minded" is to likely kick to the curb someone who is already at wit's end for a whole possibility of reasons. Sorry if my remark hurt your feelings. I figured you were strong enough to take it.
Originally Posted By LuLu 5BR, you really need to clarify what you're talking about when you post something like this. Please be more cautious next time.
Originally Posted By threeundertwo wahoo and others, this FAQ might help educate you: <a href="http://www.suicide.org/suicide-myths.html" target="_blank">http://www.suicide.org/suicide -myths.html</a> Suicidal people are in pain. A kind of pain that non-suicidal people cannot imagine. They want the pain to stop. They are not mentally ill or weak, but they need help. My brother committed suicide. Discussions like this always upset me. Please educate yourself before you throw out comments on this topic, anytime, anywhere. I was once waiting for a meeting to start when co-workers started joking about suicide. They clearly had no idea how much they were hurting someone else in the room. I'm sure they didn't mean to, but this is a painful, painful topic for some of us.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, I'm not sure my feelings have ever been hurt by reading something on the computer whether it was directed to me or not. That said, my apology toward Jim was more for taking the original thread question out of context. I absolutely believe that some people commit suicide because they are weak minded. I believe others commit suicide because of illness, whether mental or otherwise. The thread was "thoughts on suicide" and I believe I gave mine...albeit it not very clearly in my original response.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<Up yours, Wahoo. >>> LOL! hahahaha Well that's saying what you mean isn't it? I'm not a fan of suicide. I don't think I understand the point of the OP.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Suicidal people are in pain. A kind of pain that non-suicidal people cannot imagine.>> I think it is even more than that. It is incredible pain combined with loss of any hope that it will get better. I've had some pretty major emotional pain in my life (as everyone probably has), but would never consider suicide because I've never given up hope. I even have a plan for what I would do if things ever became incredibly bad. Say I lost my job, my wife left me, and my children wanted nothing more to do with me. I would just disappear without telling anyone where I was going and start over. For the record, I would go to Ouray, Colorado and try to get a job making pizza; but don't tell anyone, OK??
Originally Posted By Mrs Nurmi DLand JB, I can see where this would certainly be a close issue for you, but I also agree that your comment towards wahoo was totally out of line. I agree with everything that he said...There are many, many different forms of mental illness that we cannot even begin to understand unless we are going through them. However, it is extremely naive to think that everyone who commits suicide is mentally ill. People are overly dramatic, or narcissistic, or whatever else you can think of, but I do not believe that it equates to true mental illness. As threeunder has said, it is MOST certainly pain - but if one were to use an imaginary sliding scale based on what the average person could handle, there are definitely those who are far more sensitive than that average. That makes them 'weak minded' but that doesn't make them suffer any less, or be any less of a contributing member of society. It's just a personality issue. There are definitely weak people out there. Wahoo offered his opinions - as solicited - and you have offered yours. There is really no need for insulting his intelligence like that.
