Originally Posted By DVC_dad Earlier this week I watched (with my 5 year old), the Corpse Bride, and thought it was pretty good. Then the next night we watched Nightmare B4 Xmas and holy cow...... The plot, the character development, the effects, and especially the DETAIL of the annimation was so much BETTER in Nightmare! No wonder Disney didn't do Corpse, I don't know if they even had the chance to pass on it. Does anyone know anything about these two films? And do you agreet that Nightmare is so much better?
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger My wife really liked Corpse Bride, but I was left pretty flat by it. But we both really love Nightmare. I can't remember a single song from CB, but can readily turn on the music to NBC in my head.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i love nightmare, and love corpse bride, they are two totally different films. i think nbc was supposed to be more musical and have more eye candy then corpse bride.
Originally Posted By Kuzcochik I love them both in different ways. While Nightmare is my baby (it's probably the longest obsession I've had.. going on almost 13 years now [Disney should so do something cool for the 13th anniversary ^_~]) I find myself also loving Corpse Bride. While the similarities are unmistakable (esp. when it comes to characters) They're two different beasts that need to be looked at differently. Nightmare has the best songs! It's operatic style is amazing. The characters are relatable and the overal need for change and to be accepted (as Jack does). Corpse Bride is more beautiful in ways I think. I didn't completely like it at first but once I saw it again I fell for it. I find myself always wanting to cry at the end. The characters are also relatable in a different way. I never thought I'd sympathize with Emily so much. I don't know...I'm getting to into this. Let's leave it at I love them both!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I agree, I love them both. I view them kind of like Superman and Spiderman. I like them both, and they are similar in parts, but they are two seperate entities! NBC has some fun songs and interesting characters, but Corpse Bride is beautiful and very romantic. I love them both!!!
Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk Ditto! I was at first disappointed with Corpse Bride because I was expecting Nightmare Before Christmas! Now, I love them both as seperate stories. Yo Ho
Originally Posted By DVC_dad So do we know if Disney even had the chance to do Corpse or did Burton snub them? I am just curious if there is anything in that line of thinking. Again the DETAIL of NBC is so so so totally superior. I am more amazed by that NOW than before Corpse came out.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead I thought the songs in Corpse Bride were terrible (the maggot/spider duet is a lowpoint in animation). While the lyrics in NBC can be bit clunky every once in a while, the songs actually seem to have a purpose and are really fun. Also, Corpse Bride seemed kinda one-joke to me. And one joke that went on way too long. No question that NBC is better, for me.
Originally Posted By Kuzcochik >>So do we know if Disney even had the chance to do Corpse or did Burton snub them? <<< I don't think there were even talks of CB being Disney. NMBC had to be Disney because Burton thought up the idea and presented it while working in Disney Feature Animation. It became intellectual property and all that so he had to make it w/ Disney. Disney had no claims on Corpse Bride at all so I don't think there was even talk of it.... Then again I could be wrong
Originally Posted By electra I loved Corpse Bride. To be honest I havent sen NBC in a while so i cant really make a comparison of the two... <<<Again the DETAIL of NBC is so so so totally superior. I am more amazed by that NOW than before Corpse came out.>>> what exactly do you mean with "detail"? Do you mean NBC looked like it had a larger budget? Im sure Tim had more money to splurge on CB then he had on NBC so if anything the more recent film should look better...
Originally Posted By DVC_dad No no no ... I am talking LITERALLY about the characters, the sets, the backgrounds and all that. Watch them both, it looks to me like the detail in NBC is incredible...there is so much more in my opinion in NBC. Take Sally for example... Think of how hard it was to stop gap animate the simple act of her sewing herself back together after jumping to her "death" out the lap window. Stuff like that. I think the computer was used more in CB. Look at the cemetary Jack sings his lament in, compare Zero to the CP dog... I dunno I just think the rough edginess and detial of NBC is sooo much better. It LOOKS like it took a lot longer to make.
Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk ^There you go. That is probably why there isn't as much detail in CB! You know, time is money!!
Originally Posted By BrnardM I recentlly saw The Corpse Bride and was a little suprised by my own reaction. I really expected to love the film but I felt that there was more going on with the animation than the story itself. It didn't seem to be as solid of a film as Nightmare was. <<I thought the songs in Corpse Bride were terrible (the maggot/spider duet is a lowpoint in animation). >> This is what jumped out at me immediately. The songs right off the bat seemed subpar, and I love Danny Elfman. The tune reffered to in the above quote may be the worst offender, as it was dreadfully repetetive. "The Wedding Song" sort of reminded me of "Making Christmas" in a positive way. Nightmare had much better songs overall (though it's interesting to note that composing Nightmare totally wore him out). What I really thought was amazing was the new style of animation. The facial movements especially were fluid and great to watch. As with any Burton film, there were some great visual ideas to. Yet the story seemed somewhat threadbare and I felt that the movie sort of meandered to a conclusion. The villain was really pointless had very little to do with the plot. It seems that the characters beyond the main three flitted on and off the screen so quickly that you really couldn't connect with them. I for one would have liked to see more of Bonejangles. Overall, The Nightmare Before Christmas just seems far more solid than The Corpse Bride. Jack and Sally are far more intriguing than Emily and Victor. One of the beautiful things about their characterization is the way their movements reflect those of dancers. There is just that much more heart in their design and right off the bat they are more simpathetic characters. Aside from the Bride herself, I had trouble connecting to the motivations of the Corpse Bride's characters. To be fair, Burton did have Nightmare in his head for over a decade before it came to fruition. But the Corpse Bride lacks its rich, imaginative execution. Yet for what it lacks, it is technically superior and I was glad to have seen it
Originally Posted By pecos bill If you compare the two you will see that the Nightmare scenes are far more lush and intricate. Corpse is enjoyable, but there is far less eye candy in the film. The Corpse backgrounds are sparse, and one dimensional, while Nightmare's are full and multi dimensional. If I had to wager a guess, I would say that Corpse was done on half the budget of Nightmare. I like Burton a lot, but since Big Fish, I have been much more skeptical of his work.
Originally Posted By BrnardM Tim Burton did that one to. What I mean by technically superior is that all of the figures in CB are far more intricate than their predecessors. Previously heads were replaced between shots to acheive expression. In Corpse Bride each of the figures' faces are inlaid with mechanisms that adjust their expression, making it more seamless. I have also heard that they used a computer technique to blend the seperate frames, making the characters movement more smooth. I found both of these to be especially effective in the finished film. Pecos, I agree with you, but I think that this was an intentional mistake. the majority of the movie takes place in the land of the living which is drab and in dull colors. The land of the dead is far more vibrant, but unfortunately less of the film takes place there. For all of the improvements in the animation, it does seem like they could have devised some more exciting set peices. I kind of feel like I'm being hard on the Corpse bride because saw it so close to the Wallace & Grommit movie, which I enjoyed far more.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "but since Big Fish, I have been much more skeptical of his work." Really, I LOVE BIG FISH -one of my favorites of all time. However Mars Attacks and Ed Wood are somewhat questionable. Personally although I love NBC, it is quite an ugly film (with the exception of the graveyard scenes), whereas I find much of CB to be beautiful. I love the score in CB - especially the piano scenes. I do wonder if some of you are not quite as warm to Cb because it is new. I remember when NBC came out, I was one of the few people who fell in love with it at college, whereas now, it's very popular?
Originally Posted By paulyahoo Speaking of visuals, I don't like NBC. I've watched both movies only on DVD and NBC was very badly captured from film. Corpse Bride is much cleaner and eye-pleasing. I also like Big Fish. It's a beautiful and touching movie with good acting, maybe even unusually bright for a typical Burton film.
