Originally Posted By AutoPost This topic is for Discussion of <a href="http://www.LaughingPlace.com/Latest-ID-81762.asp" target="_blank"><b>Latest: Are Disney's New Interactive Queues Encouraging Guests To Be Destructive?</b></a> <p>Jim Hill looks at how an increase in queue vandalism might be due to Disney's increased use of interactive elements within th queues.</p>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I've seen vandalism in the Disney queues long before the interactive queues were introduced. It has more to do with the increasing incivility of Americans (especially young ones) than anything Disney has done.
Originally Posted By utahjosh More moving parts = more vandalism. If the golden Apple in the Snow White queue had moving parts, it would be destroyed daily.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I agree that this has been going on since the Disney parks have opened. I remember reading somewhere about the designing of Adventure thru Inner Space and that they had to make sure there was a zone of safety because of damage by guests.
Originally Posted By Blufusion12 Maybe it the way some people from the age of 25 down to the age of 8 yrs of age were raised by their parents and their parents . Just don't want to teach them right. Not a blanket statement and not blaming all . But over the last 25 yrs things have gotten out of hand with the so called PC parenting. But you to have too agree some parents and their children are just not raised right.
Originally Posted By Manfried There is a group of people, not just those who go to Disneyland, who feel it is okay to destroy or deface other people's property. So at Disney they need to work to minimize those opportunities.
Originally Posted By jkayjs Even the title of the article removes the responsibility from the guests! 'ENCOURAGING'...please! We are constantly giving people an 'out' for their bad behavior. "If only Disney hadn't made this area interactive it would never have occurred to me to DISTROY it!" Small children by nature are destructive untill they learn cause & effect. Hence it becomes part of raising a child to teach them while preventing them from causing damage. I'm a firm believer that it takes a village! Children should be raised in an environment that not only praises success but fosters expectations of appropriate & responsibility. And assures many sets of eyes that can not only increase safety but redirect unacceptable actions. When older children & adults do it it's just plain vandalism & should have consequences. It's sad that these kinds of topics are even necessary!
Originally Posted By Blufusion12 Jkayjs. I agree it does take a Village to raise children But in the village now is no one knows or thakes a interest in who their neighbors are now days. And it really is sad that this topic need to be brought up. In my day when growing up in the 60's and 70"s I'm 51 now. The neighborhood I grew up in everyone knew their neighbors and their children. And the parent's of all the kids had the permission just by being good parents to all the children. If you as a child did something wrong and your friends parent or adult on my street saw you do it. They called you over and made you either apologize to the person or person for what you did and they had the right to tell you were wrong . They could not spank you or touch you but you knew by the time you got home NOT TO LIE to your parents because guarantee you they already knew what happened by the phone call from your friends parents that told them what happened and how they handled it. I am glad I was raised that way. I didn't turn out to be some little monster that ruled over mom and dad like these kids do today. My parents told me to respect people and especially older people and say Yes Mam and No Sir. My father in all my life whooped my butt with a belt 2 times and I deserved it. He didn't beat me and I got a few spanking from the principal paddle from the schools growing up. But now days even if you speak loud or yell at your lids CPS is called on you. Either by your own kids or a noisy neighbor. Yes, there are some people out there that are horrible parents and should not have children and they come from all different backgrounds rich or poor educated or not. And those people should be dealt with approiatley by what ever law that applies to the situation. But I'm a strong believer in a spanking for kids. Maybe we would not have all the problems we have today with these kids . Like the 2 kids that shot the baby in the strolled right between the eyes and shot the mother as well.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan But over the last 25 yrs things have gotten out of hand with the so called PC parenting.<< I have vivid memories of seeing kids kicking unescorted Disney characters at Disneyland when I was about 5 or 6 years old. That was in 1967/68. I also remember being in the queue for Space Mountain around 1980 and seeing a large aluminum panel they had been kicked or punched so hard that it was hanging by one screw, with some blue padding falling out. I don't think abusive "guests" are anything new unfortunately. For some reason, some people have fun by destroying things, without a thought about the enjoyment of other people or the work involved in creating it in the first place. I work on a Halloween house each fall in our community, and beyond the normal wear and tear, there is a degree of vandalism we have to deal with and repair. The haunted house is for charity, but even there, uncouth thugs will show up and do what they do. I'm frankly amazed that Disney is able to keep their parks looking as good as they do with the assault of thousands of people defacing and destroying things. The cost to do so much be tremendous, and it must also be depressing work to keep repairing things that are damaged for no reason.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Vandalism and bad behavior are nothing new...there have always been hoodlums and bullies and poorly raised kids. The whole "back when I was growing up life was like Leave it to Beaver land," is not really accurate. It is really unfortunate, and of course I wish that all parents would teach their kids how to behave, but overall most kids are pretty good, and it really is only a few "bad apples" that act destructively.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Vandalism is nothing new, and I'm kind of surprised that WDI was caught off guard when they put things within arm's reach. When the Washington DC Metro was being designed in the 1970's, they knew that vandalism would be an issue, so they deliberately designed the stations so that almost nothing was within a passenger's reach. The backside of the platforms have a small concrete wall, followed by a large gap (4-5') before the actual station wall. Signs were placed high up, so they would be out of reach. And these days the system, for the most part, looks very good for its age all things considered. However, in the past few years, Metro has decided it wants to collect more revenue by placing more advertisements in stations and on trains. The result is that they're being put on surfaces that were never intended to hold those sorts of things, and are getting vandalised and worn out very quickly, making the whole thing start to look kind of shabby. I know that a theme park and a public transportation system have different needs, but they both deal with high volumes of people, who aren't always well behaved. If both of them were clever enough to avoid these sorts of problems decades ago, I have to wonder why they're suddenly surprised by them when they break from the original designs.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Here's a shot of a 'plain' DC Metro station for reference. The benches and trash cans are somewhat recent additions (10-15 years), and the light-up sign boards have multiplied in recent years, but this shows the original intent quite well <a href="http://www.iesr.ac.uk/images/2006/03/23/metro-station.png" target="_blank">http://www.iesr.ac.uk/images/2...tion.png</a> Here's a shot of the typical kinds of ads they've begun using in recent years, and are somehow surprised to see the wear and tear on them: <a href="http://www.erinmchardy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/blog_dtd_capsouthads2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.erinmchardy.com/wp-...ads2.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Blufusion12 Ferret. I lived in Bowie Md for 4 yrs and took the Metro. and that was the 1st and only subway I had ever been on. I gotta say from seeing movies and show with citys that had subways . I was impressed. I just wished it had gone to Annapolis so I could have ridden it home all the time. I had to drive 5 miles to get to the station. Were going back to DC next yr to visit friends and we don't need a rental car once you know the DC Metro you can get anywhere you want. One of the best kept secret in DC . And thats hard to do in DC. Keep Secrets
