Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Epcot "Yahoo" alert Yesterday I was working near SSE. Looking over, I spotted a young guest actually walking around in the center of the fountain where the Epcot Crystal spires used to be. Couldn't believe it. I went over to ask the young guest to "Please come out of there . . . for your safety!" As I walk over there I notice why the kid is out there. Dad is standing near the side of the fountain taking pictures. As I approached, both Dad and kid took off in the other direction. All of this in the full light of day, with other guests passing nearby. Yahoos.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Honestly, I wish people had more respect for things. It's the same old mentality again and again... "It won't matter if I let MY kid walk into that garden area. One time won't hurt." The problem is, it's not just one time, it's all the time, day in and day out. I really wish parents would teach their kids to respect the property of others. This wisdom begins at home. If kids see their parents doing these things or allowing these things, they will allow such tne-fold when THEY become parents. I wasn't so much on board with this idea until ssWEDguy began pointing out just how often these sorts of "Yahoo Behavior" go on in the parks. Then someone else suggested to me, that my kids were NOT being given a "special opportunity" by walking into an "out of bounds" area for a picture; NO, they were being taught that it is OKAY to disobey, and even IGNORE the rules. I must admit that I am guilty of the exact same sorts of acts in the past, but no longer. Not that I now realize it's not about getting the photo, it's about what a parent is teaching their children...what is acceptable behavior and what is not. Of course allowing a child to crawl under a rope or chain and pose at a topiaray or rose bush, is probably not going to result in the child spending a life in crime. However, the issue is so very much deeper than this. The issue is poor parenting. ssWEDguy count me among at least one parent that you have made a difference with by posting your many Yahoo threads.
Originally Posted By Disneymom443 What is even worse is that they knew that is was wrong. The Father and son ran when they saw you approch. It just tells the kid that it is ok, as long as you get away before they catch you.
Originally Posted By Kimrue Now I have a question...Do the parks have SECURITY???? I mean, when going anywhere...a concert, the mall, a sporting event, there is security...EVERYWHERE! Big guys that get paid to keep the peace. Why don't they have people that are clearly security guards strewn throughout the parks? Those old guys that dig through my purse in the front of the gates aren't cutting it.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I guess we'll have to agree that we have different definitions of the term "Corporate Greed." I try not to use terms that can be received emotionally. The word "greed" to me raises that emotional response. Some persons might term the same thing that some would call "Corporate greed" as instead "Fiscal responsibility," which is the same thing only sounds nicer.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <What is even worse is that they knew that is was wrong. The Father and son ran when they saw you approch. It just tells the kid that it is ok, as long as you get away before they catch you.< so the Dad is a yahoo and a weenie on top of it...LOL ! They should arm Cm's with bright orange ( non removable ) stickers that they could paste on these idiots -- that say Warning: I'm a yahoo !
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan One time I was at 1990 Park Fare having dinner and we were sitting next to this extremely rude and snobby family who thought felt that it was okay to have their kids run around the restaurant and be loud and obnoxious. The kicker was at one point the father had his kids climb up onto these beautiful, very expensive carrousel horses for pictures. The management was up in arms over this and told the father politely to get his kids down. The father's response was "don't worry about it if they damage the horse I'll buy them" and continued to let his kids climb up on he horses until everyone had a turn. The issue is about poor parenting and setting a good exmaple for your childern. I have six-year-old twins and always make sure that they are acting appropriate in public and not disrupting the people around us. In the event that one of my childern does act up I immediately take care of the situation or remove them from the area i.e. a restaurant or a show so they don't ruin the time for others. I don't envy the cast members who have to walk that fine line of stopping the disrespectful or dangerous behavior without upsetting these rude people who may create even more of a scene if they are confronted.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The father's response was "don't worry about it if they damage the horse I'll buy them" and continued to let his kids climb up on he horses until everyone had a turn.< Proper response - "Thank you for your kind offer, but in the mean time they don't belong to you - they belong to us. And we are also liable for your children's safety, so please tell your children to GET DOWN NOW!!!" The customer ain't always right.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> so please tell your children to GET DOWN NOW!!!" << Followed by "Or I will have to call security, sir!"
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I'd like to use a word to describe Disney's security, but it would make this post disappear. So instead I'll just say that Disney encourages boorish behavior by guests by being afraid of doing anything about it, especially if it involves brats. Sadly, I think the time has come for legal to print up a code of conduct and insert it into the park maps, plaining stating that disobeying the orders of a CM can and will result in immediate removal from the premises. I doubt Disney will do it, but the time has come.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> disobeying the orders of a CM can and will result in immediate removal from the premises << This still happens. I have seen boorish behavior with characters, and I have seen guests escorted from the park as a result. If security had observed the fountain behavior or if I'd gotten a picture of the offense, it's quite likely the same would have happened at Epcot. But I didn't, and they didn't.
Originally Posted By Kimrue Why don't they have security throughout the parks? What good is it if a cm has to "call security" by the time security gets there the offense is over and done with. I agree with the code of conduct. This should be a given. Clearly people don't know how to behave at times and if it's written out in whatever language map you have, there's really NO EXCUSE. I think if security started chucking people out left and right it would make examples of the hooligans and perhaps make others think twice about being stupid.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Why don't they have security throughout the parks? What good is it if a cm has to "call security" by the time security gets there the offense is over and done with.< Are you really suggesting that Disney should supply enough security personnel to watch every portion of every section of every park? Doesn't seem very practical, does it?
Originally Posted By Kimrue <<Are you really suggesting that Disney should supply enough security personnel to watch every portion of every section of every park? Doesn't seem very practical, does it?>> ummm, did I say that? you're quite obnoxious and I would appreciate it if you would stop "following" me around LP to ridicule my posts...I find it to be a form of harrassment.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Come off it Kim. Dan reads most posts and chimes in with his opinion. BTW - I also share his opinion - it would not be practical to have them everywhere. I would rather they spent the money on more custodial.
Originally Posted By danyoung Kimrue, I don't know why you have a sensitivity to what I have to say. I have fun and productive conversations with many people here and at other sites. I am in no way following you around, nor am I trying to ridicule you or your posts. You don't know me, & I don't know you, so I'm asking you to take my word that what I just said is indeed the truth. As to what you said, here it is again - >Why don't they have security throughout the parks? What good is it if a cm has to "call security" by the time security gets there the offense is over and done with.< You seemed to indicate that you want a security guard to be available at every point in the parks, to be able to instantly respond to a situation, to be right there if someone jumps in the fountain and bust him and his dad immediately. At least that's what I read into your comment. If this isn't correct, please set me straight. That's what these forums are all about - comment, counter comment, and hopefully coming to a meeting of the minds. I anxiously await your reply.
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan Over the past several years there has been an increase in uniformed security in the parks including an uniformed police officer at the entrance of every park. As much as I complain about disrespectful guests in the parks I've never seen a situation which resulted in security or police intervention. Unfortunately, world events and guests actions have forced Disney to increase security. As far as I'm concerned there are enough uniformed security in the parks already.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy There is quite a lot of security in the parks. More uniformed visibility now than ever, especially since 911. There are even Orange County cops on premises regularly now, dressed in their greens. They get involved quickly when needed, but try to stay out of the guest experience otherwise.
