Originally Posted By mousermerf I haven't updated my chart and graphs in a while so I went ahead and did so 2009 data should be coming out soon, but in the meantime, here's the graph through 2008. Note that data I could find only goes back to '91, but also included '83 because of Epcot's opening and the newspaper reports of attendance during that first year. <a href="http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-5/1179349/attendance08.JPG" target="_blank">http://img.villagephotos.com/p...ce08.JPG</a>
Originally Posted By mousermerf I got bored.. So, total resort attendance: <a href="http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-5/1179349/resortattend08.JPG" target="_blank">http://img.villagephotos.com/p...nd08.JPG</a>
Originally Posted By SuperDry Be prepared for the attack: anyone whose position is endangered by these figures will immediately point out that since Disney doesn't release official per-park attendance figures, no conclusions can be drawn from these numbers at all, while carefully avoiding any claim that the numbers are actually inaccurate.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Well those #s for the MK(Resort and Theme Park) in comparison to money spent "updating" really shows the royal ripoff for guests at the MK. I guess all the money went to building more hotels while they cram everybody in for the magic.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Some interesting bits in there.. like how AK opening did add about 3mil to the overall admissions at WDW by either extending guest stay or bringing in new guests, but also obviously took about 3mil away from the other parks, about 1mil guests each. That repeats itself the next year, AK increasing again while the other parks all trend down together, but then after that AK dips while the other parks begin to regain their losses - which mimics the press and fanbase murmurs that AK was a "half day" park and not finished which became prominent around that time. Not to mention that is also the Millennium celebration, so Epcot being the most-promoted park during that period sees the strongest gains, while MK and MGM only get a little boost. Which sort of proves my previous point of contention - that if leveraged properly Epcot can make significant gains.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Also shows the effect on tourism with 911=I guess the locals do deserve some respect afterall!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm wondering where those total resort attendance numbers came from.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros It looks like the total resort numbers are just the individual parks added together. It's interesting to see such a big drop in WDW after 9/11, but DL actually got a boost with DCA. While people may say that DCA sucks, it looks like they at least went to check it out to see for themselves. Although it may not have fully lived up to expectations, I think this comparison between the two resorts really does a great job of showing just how much DCA added to the overall DL experience.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Which sort of proves my previous point of contention - that if leveraged properly Epcot can make significant gains. << This has two advantages - one is that the sheer size of EPCOT makes it best suited to absorb high numbers of additional guests. For the bean-counters, there's more opportunity to extract money from guests in EPCOT - all those restaurants and shops and 'point-of-purchase' locations. I still think EPCOT needs a "wienie" at the back of the park - maybe two - to draw more visitors into the furthest reaches. 'American Adventure' is pretty well played out, and the other pavilions are stale and dull. They've added all of their latest 'big guns' up front in the 'future world' portion, while allowing the 'world showcase' to become little more than a giant food court. How about a new pavilion? Rumors have been circulating for YEARS about this - but so far ... nuthin'. If a pavilion is too much to ask for, then how about an e-ticket style attraction? Crazy notion, huh.
Originally Posted By TP2000 I agree that World Showcase is very much played out. I make a lap in one afternoon to see American Adventure, ride at least one boat ride and maybe see a film, and then I don't need to go back there again. If I do return to Epcot for a second day, it's only to Future World pavilions I want to repeat. Interesting that in '02 DCA attendance dipped from its weak '01 number, while Disneyland attendance rose a bit. That's about when the real panic set in and they were fast-tracking Flik's Fun Fair and greenlighting Tower of Terror and trotting out every skateboarding demonstration and aging soap star they could get their hands on. It was really funny to watch the desperation set in before they all fled to The Gap, I remember that.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<If a pavilion is too much to ask for, then how about an e-ticket style attraction? >> Speaking of which... what happened with the E-Ticket attraction that Japan was supposedly getting? Something coaster based, with Rohde at the development helm. I haven't heard any noise on that rumor for eons.
Originally Posted By gadzuux There were also rumors of a new monorail line that would join AK, Blizzard Beach, 'pop century' and DTD with the EPCOT station. This would be a huge boon to the park, as well as to the resort as a whole. It would help to shift the geographic 'center' of the resort to EPCOT's entrance plaza, which could only help with creating more foot traffic inside the park.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I'm not saying the numbers are wrong, but I am curious where they came from. Amusement Business? Weren't they out of the "business" of estimating by 2008? Also, I always heard that DL's number in 2005 (50th anniversary) was higher than MK. I thought at least the AB number was, so I'm curious where these numbers came from.
Originally Posted By believe "...fled to The GAP..." Interesting to note that they are no longer there either.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Yeah, after a couple of years both Pressler and Harriss left The Gap suddenly to "spend more time with their family". Both of 'em really aren't working for anyone now, after leaving The Gap a couple of years ago. I guess nearly running two American icons into the ground is enough for one adult career, and now it's time to take a breather.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Wasn't Pressler basically kicked out of The Gap as CEO after several quarters of terrible business?
Originally Posted By TP2000 Yeah, it was a rather brutal and embarassing departure for Pressler in early '07. Cynthia was fired a month later. Neither have held a steady job since. How do you repair a career that was comprehensively documented online as not being succesful at either Disneyland or The Gap? Apparently for Pressler and Harriss, it's not easy and they haven't recovered yet.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Yes, but all the heaps of money they made probably makes the pain a little bit easier to bear. Besides, both should be nearing retirement age pretty soon - Cynthia is pushing 60 - so I'm betting that neither one of them is missing the stress they were under.
Originally Posted By TP2000 The 2009 theme park attendance report was released today by the industry trade group that tracks it. 8 of the top 10 global parks are Disney parks. 2009 Attendance 1. Magic Kingdom, 17,223,000 +1.0% 2. Disneyland, 15,900,000 +8.0% 3. Tokyo Disneyland, 13,646,000 -4.5% 4. Disneyland Paris, 12,740,000 +0.4% 5. Tokyo DisneySea, 12,004,000 -4.0% 6. Epcot Center, 10,990,000 +0.5% 7. Disney's Hollywood Studios, 9,700,000 +1.0% 8. Disney's Animal Kingdom, 9,590,000 +0.5% 9. Universal Studios Japan, 8,000,000 -3.6% 10. Everland (Korea), 6,169,000 -6.5% 11. Disney's California Adventure, 6,095,000 +9.5% Some other SoCal parks... 18. Universal Studios Hollywood, 4,308,000 -6.0% 21. Sea World San Diego, 4,200,000 -12.6% Wow. Disney parks overall did great while everyone else declined, but the grown at Disneyland and DCA were phenomenal. Too bad jonvn doesn't post here any longer. He could dig in his heels and claim that these numbers are completely fabricated by monkeys in a sound booth and don't mean a thing. At least that was his assertion 7 or 8 years ago when DCA was doing so poorly right out of the gate. But big, big gains for Anaheim. And that's only with Nightastic and a preview center as the big draws in '09. Imagine what happens when they start opening actual big, new stuff like World of Color, Star Tours 2.0, Little Mermaid, and Cars Land. What will the numbers look like in 2012?
Originally Posted By TP2000 Oh, here's the report, and it's even in color... <a href="http://www.teaconnect.org/etea/2009report.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.teaconnect.org/etea...port.pdf</a>
