Originally Posted By MouseNation I was wondering if anyone would think it would be cool to use CGI projection instead of AA's in the ballroom scene for the haunted Mansion.Now let me re affirm that you would still use peppers ghost effect but instead of reflecting AA's you would reflect CGI.to be honest you could just project video of the AA's and you would never know the difference..
Originally Posted By MouseNation I was wondering if anyone would think it would be cool to use CGI projection instead of AA's in the ballroom scene for the haunted Mansion.Now let me re affirm that you would still use peppers ghost effect but instead of reflecting AA's you would reflect CGI.to be honest you could just project video of the AA's and you would never know the difference..
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I always scream in the HM to scare the children so I have had a lot of practice and actually get applause lately from the people that do not have children in the Stretch room...So in answer to your thoughts I know you can hear me loud and clear when I scream NO CGI!!!but thanks for asking. Just my opinion anyway.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Not at all. Would totally take away from the reality of the effects.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I know that CGI is incredible but something in my brain makes me not want to give it respect. WHen I see it used abruptly on Mr. Toad or Alice I feel cheated as if I am just looking at a television screen. Why does it have so much dimension but still feel flat? Does this make any sense? Does anybody else feel this way or am I wrong and being old fashioned? I think WDW has replaced some things in HM with CGI and I think DL has also with the new theming in the attic.Is it an expensive "fix" that is beneficial to use because the costs are absorbed in the beginning. Then it becomes economical over the lifetime span and it makes little updates (or holiday inserts)very economical. Is that why CGI is so popular?
Originally Posted By danyoung It simply wouldn't work. It would be a two dimensional projection. For pepper's ghost to work you need a three dimensional product to reflect, and there's no way (currently) for a projector to project a 3D object into open space.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I may be wrong but I seem to recall the brimstone fire has been "plussed" with CGI on Mr.Toad's Wild ride.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Because "new and improved" means they can raise the admission price????
Originally Posted By Donny actually in the case of the ballroom scene of the Haunted mansion cgi would be much cheaper then the now AA's that they use now.My son is right in the fact that if you switched to projection you could just record the AA's doing what they do and then switch to projection and no one would really know the difference but the idea of doing a CGI I think would be great because of all the possibilities you could improve on like seeing real people dancing in the ballroom .
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Why change up what is already working just fine, would be my question.<<< If only ALL of WDI/TDO/WDC thought like you, Pierce.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...My son is right in the fact that if you switched to projection you could just record the AA's doing what they do and then switch to projection and no one would really know the difference...< Yes, they would! The Pepper's Ghost effect relies on a fully 3D element being reflected into the show area. There is no way that projection could create that 3D element that would then fill up the entire space of the ballroom. Any projection would look just like it is - a projection on the window. There is no way to expand that projected image out into the ballroom space.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ I do think though, that you bring up a good point, Dan. If just put on the window, it could be a new effects. Maybe...something actually comes out at you? Or something 2D happens in the scene? I'm thinking of flame or smoke, here.
Originally Posted By Donny The neat thing is it would be cheaper 2 HD projectors would be cheaper and would breakdown less then the AA's and the power they take plus it could look exactly the same.but the possibility of plussing is another neat idea
Originally Posted By dshyates I believe that what the youngerAZ is try to describe is something along the lines of what is used in the Nemo ride. And I think it would work fine. And give the ballroom scene a lot more "life" to the rather stiff ghosts. They could also film live actors and use the Musion effect like Universal does to great success in Disaster! and the new Harry Pottr and the Forbidden Journey Queue. But I do believe that changing up such a classic so drastically would cause the fanbois to riot. Anyway, great suggestion MouseNation, and welcome to LaughingPlace.
Originally Posted By DisneyDefender But the projection in the Nemo ride (at least in WDW) looks totally fake. I was so disappointed when I rode that ride. Just projections on screens. Lame. Hopefully such a cheap trick will NEVER be used in the Haunted Mansion.
Originally Posted By Donny Yeah finding nemo does not use peppers ghost so it's really not comparable.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The neat thing is it would be cheaper 2 HD projectors would be cheaper and would breakdown less then the AA's and the power they take plus it could look exactly the same.but the possibility of plussing is another neat idea>> First, those aren't AA's. Secondly, they really don't break down often. That being said, it would be a cool thing to do, but money is needed elsewhere in the park.
