Originally Posted By BriGuy85 Has anyone else noticed how Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana is like a kid friendly version of Paris Hilton? What I mean is, shes EVERYWHERE! And to be honest, I dont think shes really that talented. But it's just disgusting how much Disney markets this girl with dolls, clothes, school accessories, bed sheets, posters, pens, hair products, hair extensions, games, clocks, bags, umbrellas, tattoos, video games, jewelry and yes.... cookies! Will this madness stop? I've never seen such a young kid get so much publicity. I really think there are more talented youth (even on the Disney channel) then her.
Originally Posted By BriGuy85 That's one thing I don't like about the Disney company today. They find one success and stick with it instead of creating something new. Example: High School Musical
Originally Posted By Elderp Yeah, but the problem is they never know what their sucess is going to be. They were not prepared for HSM to be such a hit, now they are, but not when it was first released.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <What I mean is, shes EVERYWHERE! And to be honest, I dont think shes really that talented.> I agree that she's not very talented (sorry Miley Cyrus fans!). But it's nothing really new. The entertainment industry has always had a share of 'entertainers' who ride a wave of 'popularity' Disney's own Annette Funnicello comes to mind. She couldn't really sing -- and yet released several singles and was very popular in the 50s and 60s. Tiffany -- that young gal who got started singing in shopping malls in the late 80s 'I think we're alone now.' Not a real talent there. Debbie Gibson to some degree in the 90s. Rhianna falls into this 'popular' category. And many would disagree with me, but Madonna is another one. When she first made her debut in the early 80s, young people loved her. Some people have followed her into adulthood and still think she's fabulous. I think she's a fairly mediocre singer, and just an okay actor. But she has legions of fans who worship her. Gosh, if companies could predict the popularity of a movie, or band, or piece of music, or pop singer -- they'd have a lot more money than they do now. It's something that can't really be predicted.
Originally Posted By alexbook >>Gosh, if companies could predict the popularity of a movie, or band, or piece of music, or pop singer -- they'd have a lot more money than they do now.<< ...and the Disney Character Warehouse wouldn't be full of unsold Aly & AJ merchandise. ;-)
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Debbie Gibson to some degree in the 90s.<< I'd argue this one. People who can't sing don't go on to successful careers in Broadway musical theater.
Originally Posted By mele I think a lot of Broadway singers are awful. Probably the most famous singer who I just don't understand the appeal of is Michael Crawford. I mean, other than as Condorman.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA >>Debbie Gibson to some degree in the 90s.<< <I'd argue this one. People who can't sing don't go on to successful careers in Broadway musical theater.> Fair enough. But I think you get my point.
Originally Posted By matthewdort >>...and the Disney Character Warehouse wouldn't be full of unsold Aly & AJ merchandise. ;-)<< Which is a shame, because Aly & AJ's music stomps all over anything Miley has ever done.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^^Yeah. 'You're not livin' ('till you're living with me' is on my TOP 3 songs on my iPod. Right up there with Rhiana's 'Umbrella' and Justin Timberlake's 'sexy back.'
Originally Posted By Disney and beyond I'll be interested to see Miley after Disney. I have a feeling she will be the latest to sucumb to the DC Curse...
Originally Posted By BriGuy85 It's really sad how today we have such a POOR entertainment industry. There are REAL singers out there who will probably never make it. For example, the other day I was in Hollywood, there was this group of four guys singing on the sidewalk. I swear they were the BEST I've heard in a long time. Like REAL talent. And they were singing for change. It makes me SOOOO upset to see these singers today who don't have any talent (especially the rappers) and are making so much money they don't know what to do with. Excuse me while I go scream!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>It makes me SOOOO upset to see these singers today who don't have any talent (especially the rappers) and are making so much money they don't know what to do with. << It started with the 50s, when teenagers suddenly had money to spend on records, and a TV to see their favorite stars on. I think you can zero in on handsome actor Tab Hunter's terrible cover of "Young Love" - a #1 hit in early 1957 - as the point when the industry discovered that below-average talents with the right look could still become music stars. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q30yYtNgmXc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...yYtNgmXc</a> It's been going on ever since, and I don't think you can successfully argue that it's much worse now than it was in 1961 (unless you just refuse to admit that rap actually does require a little talent). At least now they have the ability to digitally fix mistakes and pitch problems, luckily for the stars of the Disney Channel.
Originally Posted By Kira <<<>>...and the Disney Character Warehouse wouldn't be full of unsold Aly & AJ merchandise. ;-)<< Which is a shame, because Aly & AJ's music stomps all over anything Miley has ever done.>>> I agree with this statement 150%. Aly & AJ could take the cake easily with talent compared to Miley Cyrus.
Originally Posted By alexbook >>>>It makes me SOOOO upset to see these singers today who don't have any talent (especially the rappers) and are making so much money they don't know what to do with. << It started with the 50s, when teenagers suddenly had money to spend on records, and a TV to see their favorite stars on.<< Sorry, but it goes back much farther than that. As long as people have been paid to perform, there have been other people with more raw talent but less sex appeal or stage presence standing at the back of the audience and complaining about being overlooked.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Sorry, but it goes back much farther than that. As long as people have been paid to perform, there have been other people with more raw talent but less sex appeal or stage presence standing at the back of the audience and complaining about being overlooked.<< Oh, aye aye, no doubt. I was only speaking in terms of the modern pop music industry. Prior to the 50's, people who were actually BAD singers couldn't have a recording career, except as a novelty act. Once it became easier to spread the image as well as the music, and the buying power shifted to less-discerning younger customers, that all changed.
Originally Posted By matthewdort I don't have a problem with bad singers as long as they work with good producers -- that's who the real talent is these days.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <I don't have a problem with bad singers as long as they work with good producers -- that's who the real talent is these days.> Really? It's like saying you don't have a problem with bad actors, as long as they're in a Jerry Bruckheimer movie.
Originally Posted By mele I don't mind pop music. Music doesn't always have to be meaningful or long lasting, or indie to be enjoyable. Sometimes, I just want to listen to something fun or something that just has a good beat. I have yet to see Miley or Hilary create anything that falls into the deep category but that's okay. Rare is the artist who creates deeply meaningful music and sells millions of records.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I don't have a problem with bad singers as long as they work with good producers -- that's who the real talent is these days.<< These days?
