Originally Posted By Jim I can't figure out why Disney has not capitalized on the tremendous advance TANGLED was in CGI animation. To Disney fans, we know how Glen Keane pushed to make the animation in TANGLED having the flow and movement of naturalistic hand-drawn animation, but Disney has never publicized this to the outside world. I think TANGLED would have possibly received a Best Animated Feature Oscar nom if Disney had publicized this. I originally thought Disney didn't publicize this because they thought no one would care (though anything that draws positive attention to your film is a good thing), but now in the face of the really sucky Blu-Ray bonus features that make NO serious mention of the huge leap forward or the method, I'm wondering WHY? Does anyone have any knowledge?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I think TANGLED would have possibly received a Best Animated Feature Oscar nom if Disney had publicized this.<< Nope. The nominating committee are very knowledgeable in regards to animation and knew exactly what they were seeing and what they were nominating. And the Glen Keane thing was very well promoted to the industry-types in the LA area, including a wonderful career retrospective presentation at the Egyptian Theater. Tangled lost fair and square to three arguably better movies. Had there been five nominees this year, it almost certainly would've gotten in. I 'spect that the Blu-Ray bonus situation represents one of the following: (1) Teeing up a "better" edition for double-dipping purposes some time in the future. (2) Not wanting to expose the dirty laundry behind what was a VERY messy project behind the scenes. (3) TPTB finally taking to heart the dozens of surveys conclusively showing that the vast majority of their customers just don't care about bonus features.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: There's no such thing as losing 'fair and square' in Hollywood. That town is so corrupt that it's often the case that superior films lose out to inferior films. Everything is so political. ORWEN: Yeah! Rapunzel was MUCH better than Toy Story or any of the other animated movies that came out in 2010. Not that those other movies weren't good, too. But Rapunzel should have won best animated movie for 2010. At least it won in Morva!
Originally Posted By John3K >>Had there been five nominees this year, it almost certainly would've gotten in.<< I wish there WOULD be five slots open! On the Best Picture side, the doubling of nominationn slots has resulted in a ridiculous opening-up of nominations to some very undeserving films-- but I would hope in the Animated Feature category, it would open things up to more of the films that DO deserve attention-- and there are certainly more than three! Witches: I'm with you on both counts!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I wish there WOULD be five slots open!<< Some years there are. It's based on how many movies qualify for the category. If one more movie had been declared eligible this year (for a total of 16), there would've been five nominees. There were 16 submissions, but the Academy said Yogi Bear didn't have enough animation in it to qualify.
Originally Posted By Evening Star It's not really a conspiracy. Tangled was visually stunning, but the plot was not Oscar worthy especially in comparison to Toy Story 3. Toy Story hit a lot of notes concerning love, loss, and letting go with the very young and very old. Tangled brought nothing new or resonant outside of its visual achievement (though it did make a lot of money.) In a five set it should have certainly been nominated.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Now, see, I would say that--good as Toy Story 3 was--and it WAS goood--it didn't really bring anything new to the table either. ORWEN: Rapunzel hit just as many notes as Toy Story and was much prettier to look at, in my opinion. Plus it's timeless nature and period setting was more appealing to me because Toy Story 3 just had a contemporary, modern setting that you can see every day. ORDDU: I think the challenge of having to deal with all that hair made Rapunzel an outstanding success for that reason alone. Toy Story 3 didn't have to achieve as much as Rapunzel did. In any case, everyone has their favorites and when those favorites differ, it all becomes very subjective and less objective when choosing what's best.
Originally Posted By Evening Star Mandy Moore's breathy pop vocals date the movie enough unfortunately. As well as Flynn's obligatory Will Smith moment. Well, all it really requires is taking a step back and looking at a movie in pieces and parts. And once that is done then view the movie holistically. Like James Cameron's Avatar, Tangled's visuals were a feast for the eyes. But also like Avatar the script/story was not as well considered as it could have/should have been.
Originally Posted By John3K >>...everyone has their favorites and when those favorites differ, it all becomes very subjective and less objective when choosing what's best.<< It is quite a subjective game, and that's why I have to not put a lot of stock into who is/is not nominated for any category ("Avatar" for Best Pic last year, REALLY?), let alone who wins. It's just not a determinant of ultimate quality. >>Like James Cameron's Avatar, Tangled's visuals were a feast for the eyes. But also like Avatar the script/story was not as well considered as it could have/should have been.<< And UNLIKE James Cameron's Avatar, Tangled did not crib from Disney's Pocahontas.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>And UNLIKE James Cameron's Avatar, Tangled did not crib from Disney's Pocahontas.<< The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and Sleeping Beauty ... but not Pocahontas. ;-)
Originally Posted By John3K Well, yes. Same notebook. I sure do wish Mr. Ashman were still around to help the process, though.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: Well, after all, The Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, etc. are fairy tales, too, so it's only natural that they'd have something in common with Rapunzel. I don't see that as being a bad thing, though. ORDDU: And I agree that certain attitudes from Flynn and Rapunzel might date certain portions of the movie in years to come. But over all it seems to have that classic feel which will still keep it timeless. ORGOCH: Well, I just wanna' know how soon I can fry up that little rascal of a lizard she's got fer a friend!!! Somethin' that tasty should be allowed ta escape my poor ol' taste buds!!!!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: Ooooops! What I meant ta say was that somethin' that tasty SHOULDN'T be allow ta escape my poor ol' taste buds! (But ya knew what I meant, didn't ya?)
