Originally Posted By Mr X An LP poster sort of indicated that the topic I started didn't belong in a particular section, as it somehow unfairly cast a bad light on a particular group, or something. So, I suppose community would be a better place to discuss such a subject since obviously lots of us travel to Disney parks worldwide and what has happened in the last few days is very bothersome. If what I've learned about over the last two days is any indication, certain organized groups should, please, just stay home next time and not venture back to Japan. Nobody wants behavior such as this around here. It's the height of rudeness to invade a different country expecting special treatment, demanding police be called because whims aren't fulfilled and misbehavior is corrected, and accusing the locals of "racism towards Americans" because they are asked to follow the rules like everyone else. Those involved know who you are. I'm not going to name names, but they were all members (even leaders!) of a particular Disney fan group which I guess is supposed to remain nameless or something. I'll link to here on that other topic, anyway, so those who have been following can chime in if they wish. Disgusting.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Mr X - while I agree that this group's behaviour has been very poor, do not label international fan groups in this way please. we have had some fantastic LP meets around the globe, where we have treated cast members like stars and given them some wonderful memories too. The lesson here is, if you are going to travel, learn the rules and play by them.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, I guess I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't Dave. I originally put it in a specific section to talk about what happened with leaders of one particular group, and someone took offense. Then I re-write it to make it more generic and put it here, and you take offense. Well anyway, what happened over the last few days WAS pretty darned offensive to me, and to my friends in the cast that were actually in tears at one point over the mess. I don't know what else to say. Representatives of one particular Disney fan group were real jerks, and it ain't cool. That's essentially all I wanted to discuss (as well as perhaps give some folks a little food for thought when they decide to take an international trip).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Mr X, I wasn't having a go. It seems like you are clearly upset about the situation, and I am not surprised (about being up set or the situation). But as someone who has convened several group meets around the globe, I am pointing out that not all groups are bad. This one is (and I have heard some doozy stories about Brazilian groups at WDW, as well as Pop Warner fights, and issues with school groups at DLP). This group stepped out of line. I agree with your thoughts in the other threads. I am just trying to gently remind you not all groups are like this. And nor is everyone in the group in all likelyhood.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Mr X, I wasn't having a go.*** I didn't think you were, and I do appreciate your point. I was careful to write "certain groups", and that was on purpose so I WASN'T singling out one particular group, which is what seemed to upset that other poster on the other thread. I just don't know any other way to word it, I'm actually *trying* to start a discussion WITHOUT ticking anyone off. Obviously I know that not all groups are like this, nor is it likely that the majority of THIS group behaves badly.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo No worries bro! Just see what happens when I read quickly rather than working? I suppose I should get back to work.
Originally Posted By DlandJB I'm more inclined to believe it was one or two obnoxious persons who are now casting a bad light on a group. I do doubt they are in any kind of leadership position. And, given the way this has been presented here, Mr. X, it feels like your intention was less to protect any group with anonimity then to give a wider audience (Community) to the grievance. I'm truly sorry that some visitors behaved badly. I imagine (no, I know) that there are people who behave badly at every Disney park on any given day. I have witnessed members of Disney fan groups behaving badly. It never occured to me to indict a group because one or two of their members are boors.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I'm more inclined to believe it was one or two obnoxious persons who are now casting a bad light on a group. I do doubt they are in any kind of leadership position. << You have to blame the entire group that was with them at the time of these incidents. If you are with someone who is acting like an a$$, it is your responsibility to get them to shut the heck up becayuse their behavior reflects upon yourself since you are in their company. It's easy to blame one or two obnoxious guests but what about the 20 or so friends of theirs, they could have stepped in. This is under the assumption that these incidents occured with the rest of their group in attendance, and from what I have gotten from others this is indeed the case.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***it feels like your intention was less to protect any group with anonimity then to give a wider audience (Community) to the grievance*** What the? Okay, JB, YOU'RE the one who complained about what section it was in and why one group was singled out. Now you're complaining because I moved it and made it more generic? Geez...really can't win sometimes. Besides, why did you then THANK me on the other thread for moving it? ***I do doubt they are in any kind of leadership position.*** That has also been confirmed at this point, by <i>[Identifying information removed by Admin]</i>. JB, I don't know what your issue is with this or why you feel it's more important to protect the people that would do such a thing, but geez...you're one step away from just claiming that a bunch of LP posters are simple liars. That's simply not the case, which was made pretty obvious to you over on the OTHER thread you were complaining on.
Originally Posted By Mr X It's all on another LP thread with a similar topic name, DAR. You're welcome to search it out if you wish...I didn't link to it here for the same reason that I started another, more generic topic. Which, anyway, seems to be making people angry so I guess it wasn't worth the effort. *sigh*
Originally Posted By SoThisIsLove Well, it WAS enlightening! I learned two new acronymns, both of which I guess I can't say here. Go for it, DAR! You'll learn a lot about fine dining, too!
Originally Posted By DlandJB Sorry, Mr. X. I said thanks in the other thread before I read how you worded things here. I'm sorry I upset you. I do think it is wrong to blame a group for the actions of a couple of ill mannered people. Having not been party to what happened, I don't know if there were other people around who were in a position to change the situation, so William, I can't blame others without knowing the situation. I will wait to hear from people who were actually there that I know, when then return.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I do think it is wrong to blame a group for the actions of a couple of ill mannered people.*** The story just keeps adjusting, doesn't it? First it was "I don't see how you can say it was that group at all". Then "well, it might have been some members but certainly not the leaders". And now we have the rogue actions of "a couple of people". Given everything we've heard, how can you even assume how many people were involved at all? The short answer is you can't. And yet you are still defending "the group" at large (by this I mean the group currently in Tokyo, of course). Like others have said, I guess we'll see if the group has anything to say about it. But I certainly hope it's not similar to these deflection techniques. If what SuperDry said is true and Walt Disney Attractions Japan is actually involved in TALKS with said group, well I'm sorry but that goes beyond a couple of people acting rudely. Way beyond.
Originally Posted By jnemo My goodness lets just throw all the them under the bus. (BTW, I am a member also) Oh, I should not say that because I am responible for their actions too? I do not believe I signed a pledge when I joined nor did I when I joined LP as to my actions or in actions at any disney parks.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan jnemo, you didn't sign the blood oath when you joined LP? I was told everyone had to do that. And pay the annual dues of $1,295. Everyone has to do that. Right? Right???
Originally Posted By jnemo Oh that, I forgot about that maybe I need to go and read this LP tattoo with the rules.
Originally Posted By friendofdd Jnemo, please go along with 2ooney or he will expect me to give him a refund.
