Originally Posted By Eric Paddon The last time I participated in this forum it was to condemn Congressman Fat Jack Murtha of PA (the guy the liberal media hailed as an impeccable military hero while leaving out the fact he was an unindicted ABSCAM co-conspirator) for his outrageous and disgusting media hog grandstanding on the issue of the "massacre" at Haditha, and using that to assail our troops in Iraq as a grandstanding way of making the case for a bugout. Guess what. One by one, each of the Haditha Marines, Fatso Jack was so quick to condemn on national TV to generate anti-war headlines on page one, have been acquitted and exonerated. The only problem is the media buries news of this, and Fatso Jack has remained silent, refusing to apologize for his actions that exceed his corruption in the ABSCAM matter. I post this information for the benefit of those I once traded barbs with, and retire now back to the happy world of lurkdom. <a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=5592C7D8-5C37-4C59-AC3C-F95CE4E3D179" target="_blank">http://www.frontpagemag.com/Ar...E4E3D179</a>
Originally Posted By DAR While Murtha's actions were questionable he did serve his country and like any soldier should be commended without being called names.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Gee - I guess that means those marines didn't do it, huh. The only problem left is that 24 men, women and children were still dragged from their beds in the middle of the night and shot dead - after the marines burst into their home. But you don't care about that, do you? You'd rather slam US congressmen. This qualifies you as a "values voter". By the way, the weblink you posted is only slightly less venomous than your posts. You might want to consider multiple sources for your news.
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon Gee, so you deny the fact that the Marines are being exonerated and acquitted, one by one just because you don't like the link I chose that encapsulates all of their cases? As for what I had to say about Fatso Jack the unindicted ABSCAM co-conspirator, I think the matter of the disrespect he showed for all of our troops actively fighting in Iraq by actively serving the propaganda interests of the enemy isn't something his past military service can ever give him cover for (especially since it was used to give his libels of the Marines credence by the media). His actions in going on television to convict all of these Marines without due process and before all the facts were in so he could grandstand for the Moveon.org crowd were straight out of the Jane Fonda in Hanoi realm.
Originally Posted By gadzuux As a point of order, they haven't been "exonerated" - the charges have been dismissed - in some cases "without prejudice", meaning they can be refiled at a later date. And the marine that had his charges dropped this week, Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani, wasn't present at the massacre itself, but rather was on trial for "failing to investigate" - possibly because a four-star general - James Mattis - exercised undue influence in the investigation. In other words, a "cover-up". Quelle surprise. >> One Marine still faces prosecution Of eight Marines originally charged in the case, only one is still facing prosecution in the biggest U.S. criminal prosecution involving Iraqi deaths to come out of the war. The incident occurred after a Marine was killed by a roadside bomb. Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, who faces voluntary manslaughter charges, and a squad member shot five men by a car at the scene. Investigators say Wuterich then ordered his men to clear several houses with grenades and gunfire, leaving women and children among the dead. << <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25211958/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25211958/</a> These are the guys you're cozying up to, eric, are you comfy with that? Do you have any concern over what happened in haditha that night? Any explanations about how all those people ended up dead? I didn't think so. Your issue is attacking Murtha, and nothing else. There are none so blind . . .
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Calling him "Fatso Jack" makes Eric feel better about his own questionable manhood.
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon Nope, when I call him "Fatso Jack" I'm describing what the guy is and I would gladly say to it his face, especially since that gutless little coward has ducked all media questions posed to him regarding the acquittal of the Marines he libeled on network television. Lt. Colonel Jeffrey Chessani is contemplating a lawsuit against Murtha and I hope he goes ahead and does it. Murtha can just cough up all the bribe money he was on the verge of giving to an FBI agent he thought was an Arab sheikh in 1980.
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon As for how the people ended up dead, I believe the exonerated Marines who noted that the enemy was using women and children as shields. There was no proof of a wanton massacre on the part of our soldiers in this instance except in the vivid imaginations of a gasbag Congressman from PA who uses his military service as a shield to give him the right to libel the ones risking their lives for their country today.
Originally Posted By dshyates "There was no proof of a wanton massacre on the part of our soldiers" Except, of course, all the dead bodies of women and children and a pile of evidence pointing at a cover-up. And they all have not been exonerated. So WE may have still massacred children.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Again - you're just emphasizing my point that all you care about is bashing democrats, when the real story that you're missing is that Murtha was right. The "proof" is that the marines themselves have testified as to what happened that night - how it played out isn't in dispute. They did it. You call Murtha a "gasbag" yet you yourself parrot empty claims about "using women and children as shields". You can't really believe that. They were in bed in the middle of the night. 'WE' - our marines, representatives of you me and every other american - burst inside in the dead of night and shot them all dead. They had no weapons and they were not 'combatants'. And I'll repeat myself again - you don't care about any of that. Your motives and beliefs are as skewed and corrupt as they are patently transparent. You reveal yourself as thoroughly lacking in even a basic level of decency and humanity, and you're even righteous and boastful about it. Yeesh. But stick around, ultimately your posts are enlightening for people to actually see firsthand the ugliness of your beliefs.
Originally Posted By Eric Paddon No sir, I am interested in giving the Marines the benefit of the doubt AND allowing for due process to run its course which in this case sided with those same Marines. Fat Jack Murtha threw the Marines under the bus so he could engage in public grandstanding to get ahead politically and in the process seriously undermind and damage the morale of our fighting men, which mattterd not a whit to him. I believe there was no "massacre" on the part of our Marines and they found themsleves in tough situation where the enemy they fought was using women and children as shields, which is a testament to the brutality of the *enemy* and not our Marines. In short, I regard any characterization of a massacre to be an out and out falsehood, and the evidence as shown by the one-by-one exoneration of these Marines is the ultimate proof of that. I realize of course that you so desperately WANT it to be true there was a massacre so you can keep making the case for a bugout in Iraq, but in this instance it's not going to work because the story was a lie and Fat Jack Murtha who libeled the Marines for his own personal political advantage should be censured by the Congress for his actions, and he should fork over as much as Colonel Chessani or anyone demands in a well-justified libel suit. Incidentally, I'm amused how you keep ducking the matter of Murtha's ABSCAM past which made him a dubious figure for the anti-war crowd to hang their hats on to begin with, but as far as I'm concerned is a bigger comment on his true character than his earlier military service. And as for ugly beliefs, I think your desperate desire to believe in non-existent massacre in spite of the evidence, and in spite of the proof of how Murthat is guilty of libel of the first order, reveals the kind of glass house you're living in.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> I believe there was no "massacre" on the part of our Marines and they found themsleves in tough situation where the enemy they fought was using women and children as shields, which is a testament to the brutality of the *enemy* and not our Marines. << Now see? This is where you're so helpful. Your viewpoint is so foreign that I could never even think of things. In your view, these marines "found themselves in a tough situation" - was that before or after they blasted their way into this family's home? And those women and children were being used as human shields - in their beds. Is that it? And mostly, they end up as a pile of 24 bodies in a pool of their own blood, yet THEY are the brutal ones? And the guys that did it are skipping out of court and away from any accountability for their actions, and you actually think they're heroes and even that they should sue a congressman? Breathtaking stuff.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Nope, when I call him "Fatso Jack" I'm describing what the guy is and I would gladly say to it his face, especially since that gutless little coward has ducked all media questions posed to him regarding the acquittal of the Marines he libeled on network television." Instead of this pathetic drivel, why not just get some Viagra and a hooker?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh The one Marine that still faces prosecution has had his charges reduced to involuntary manslaughter. The stories that were told about the Marines just haven't panned out, but some would rather take the word of our enemies or their collaborators over that of our soldiers, and pronounce them guilty without seeing all of the evidence.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Instead of this pathetic drivel, why not just get some Viagra and a hooker?> See, this is another example of an unwarranted attack against another poster. It was wrong of Eric Paddon to use derogatives to describe Rep Murtha, but it's equally wrong for you to attack Eric Paddon.
Originally Posted By dshyates I wouldn't say unwarrented, but probably pushing community standards. I believe a much more forceful attack was in order.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder ".. but it's equally wrong for you to attack Eric Paddon." Our country is a lot worse off because of the type of drivel his ilk spews.
