Originally Posted By HyperTyper Another day, and another pronouncement from Hillary Clinton. Speaking on the Cheney hunting incident, she said: "-- the refusal of this administration to level with the American people in matters large and small is very disturbing because it goes counter to the way our constitutional democracy ... is supposed to work" That is really rich, coming from THIS woman, who is the chief defender and enabler of the world's most famous liar and womanizer. The media is throwing a tantrum because Cheney's office did not address the incident until the following day. (DECADES after alleged incidents of womanizing, smearing and assault from more than one credible woman, Bill Clinton continues to hide behind spokesmen, lawyers and carefully-scripted interviews ... and the nation's "reporters" are happy as clams.) Hillary has her own problems with secrecy. She orchestrates her own interviews to avoid uncomfortable subjects. She also remains tight-lipped about her doings relating to the White House travel-office fiasco. Haven't Hillary Clinton and her adoring media ever heard of not commenting until the facts are out? Until investigations are condluded? They burst a gasket because press sec. Scott McClellan didn't announce the victim's heart attack at a press conference. Hasn't the media heard about the obligation of NOT discussing someone else's medical condition on privacy grounds? About defering questions to the PROPER authorities, who have the ability, authority and facts to most adequately tell the media what they need to know? This is not really about "truth," or "accountability," or anything. This is about Hillary, the media, and other liberals poking Dick Cheney in the eye. There is nothing more to be said on the matter, and when there is, the local authorities, who are the APPROPRIATE channel for information, will tell the rest of us. Until then, Cheney is keeping quiet, and he SHOULD ... because it's the right thing for him to do right now. Now we have anchors like Matt Lauer going so far as to speculate about what happens if "God forbid" Whittington dies!!! WHAT?!?! Lauer, Hillary, NBC's David Gregory, Tim Russert, and all that crowd need to get off their high-horses and stop manipulating this situation into something they desperately want it to be ... a worst-case scenario for the vice-president. This is an accident, and Dick Cheney will take his lumps for it ... when and how it is appropriate. Until then, he will do what is right by Mr. Whittington, his family, and the appropriate legal authorities. The rest of us will just have to wait because it's NONE OF OUR BUSINESS at this point! Dick Cheney shot in a direction he shouldn't have. He didn't know Whittington was there. It was a personal mistake ... an unintentional lapse in judgement by all accounts. Something similar can happen to any of us. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, has clearly and wantonly abused several women, and betrayed his 'marriage,' his subordinates, his office, his profession and his obligations as a citizen. He lied, and Hillary lied, for MONTHS, YEARS and DECADES, and the press felt sorry for both of them. Now they all figuratively crucify Dick Cheney before his FRIEND is even out of the ICU. The libs' and media's behavior is warped and sick, and I predict the nation's citizens will be thoroughly disgusted by it before this is all over.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>This is about Hillary, the media, and other liberals poking Dick Cheney in the eye. << It could be worse. They could be shooting him in the eye. /rimshot
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Hillary saying that this administration needs to level w the people is so funny to me. Hillary accusing anyone of keeping secrets is so funny to me. I mean of ALL people...
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<"-- the refusal of this administration to level with the American people in matters large and small is very disturbing because it goes counter to the way our constitutional democracy ... is supposed to work">> All this from the women who's motorcade drove over a Police Officer. And still has never appoligized to the Officer who was doing his job. <<No Apology From Hillary for Still-Injured Cop NewsMax.com Tuesday, Oct. 30, 2001 4:16 p.m. EDT A Westchester County police officer who was injured while trying to stop New York Senator Hillary Clinton's van after it blew past an airport security checkpoint 16 days ago has yet to receive an apology from her or anyone on her staff. "I can tell you, no," Officer Ernest Dymond told NewsMax.com Tuesday, when asked whether Mrs. Clinton had contacted him to express any concern over the injury that has rendered him unable to return to active duty for more than two weeks. Dymond declined to describe the extent of his injury or predict when he thought he might be able to return to work, saying, "Our department has a policy that all information go through the public information officer." The 19-year police veteran did explain that previous reports placing Mrs. Clinton in a limousine when her car sped through the Westchester County Airport checkpoint he was manning on Oct. 14 were inaccurate. "She was not in a limousine. She was in a full-size Ford conversion van - and that made it even more suspect to us," Dymond said. "I didn't know if we had a terrorist," the temporarily disabled cop had previously told the Washington Times. "The van went by me and we ordered them to stop and it continued going and we continued to yell to stop," Officer Dymond told NewsMax.com. "At that point I banged as hard as I could on the side of the van to let the driver know he had to stop." Despite his harrowing encounter with the nation's most-famous elected Democrat, the publicity shy policeman said he has turned down several requests for media interviews, explaining, "I've had my 15 minutes of fame." In fact, reporters in New York and nationwide have overwhelmingly ignored the incident, raising questions about possible pressure by Sen. Clinton's office. A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton declined to return NewsMax.com's call requesting comment on why she hadn't contacted Dymond to express regrets for his injury. >>
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "Haven't Hillary Clinton and her adoring media ever heard of not commenting until the facts are out?" Well that's better than what has happened. Haven't George Bush and his adoring cons ever heard of not going to war until the facts are out?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo George Bush, on the other hand, has clearly and wantonly abused several insert (G bay, New Orleans, any other atrocity), and betrayed his country,' his subordinates, his office, his profession and his obligations as a citizen. He lied, and his administration lied, for MONTHS, YEARS and DECADES, and the press support them. Now they all figuratively crucify Hillary Clinton. The cons and media's behavior is warped and sick, and I predict the nation's citizens will be thoroughly accepting by it before this is all over. Funny how one can easily twist things. I'd rather have someone who screws up their family life in the White House than screw up their country and world.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I must have slept throught the past year. How again is President George W Bush responcible for New Orleans? <<A report is due out today from the House committee investigating the response to Hurricane Katrina. Blame is assigned everywhere, including to the federal government, FEMA and George W. Bush for not doing enough, fast enough in response to the disaster. But finally...blame is being assigned where it belongs: with the Democrats that run that state. According to the report, Governor Kathleen Blanco and Mayor Ray Nagin waited until too late to evacuate the city. They had warnings 56 hours before landfall of what might happen, yet chose to wait until 19 hours before the hurricane hit to tell everybody to get out. So who deserves most of the blame? Blanco and Nagin. Why? First of all, because disaster response has traditionally been a state, not a federal matter. In 2004 there were about four hurricanes that hit Florida. Florida responded. That is as it should have been in Louisiana. Question: Did the failure to move trailers into the area immediately cause deaths? No. Did the failure to get food and supplies into the survivors within hours cause deaths? There's no evidence of that. The deaths were caused because people didn't get out. That's a local issue, not a federal one. Had the governor and mayor ordered the evacuation much earlier, many more people would have lived. Did anyone die because it took supplies longer to get there than it should have? Maybe a few. But nothing like the more than 1,300 people who are dead...mostly because they didn't leave the city. The media and the Democrats will push the lie that it was George Bush's fault that all those people died...but make no mistake, The lion's share of the blame rests on local politicians. That would be Blanco and Nagin.>> Lets not forget about all those buses.
Originally Posted By HyperTyper >>> Haven't George Bush and his adoring cons ever heard of not going to war until the facts are out? When you have a madman who has bragged about WMD and he is deliberately obscuring the facts, you have to take him out to GET to the facts. (And we're learning more every day. ABC's Brian Ross, in a welcome burst of responsible reporting, just released some tapes of Saddam talking up Iraq's WMD and U.N.-deception programs.) >>> Funny how one can easily twist things. I'd rather have someone who screws up their family life in the White House than screw up their country and world. Except your statement isn't supported by facts or common sense.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "Except your statement isn't supported by facts or common sense." And nor are yours. I spend my work time arguing cases and lobbying politicians. I should be able to state my views without having to justify who I am here. Just as I would share opinions on Fastpass, imagineering etc, without always backing them up. Any idiot can quote another. But it is rare it seems that people are able to think for themselves. I don't have to justify myself to anyone but me and maybe my maker. I think Bush is an idiot and dragging America and the rest of the world into the toilet. That's how I feel. If I don't take my precious time to google "facts" and copy and paste them. That's my choice. If you don't like it or respect it, tough. I don't give a rats... The fact that you have tried to insult me on something that was there to make a point on how to twist words shows a lack of common sense on your part. Truth is MY OPINION IS: I think Clinton was the best president since FDR I think Bush is the worst president in my lifetime. And I really am ashmed of a number of my fellow countrymen. My opinion. It may differ from yours. But so what. That's my god given right, my right as an American, and my right living in a democracy. And that's common sense.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Here is what Neil Boortz had to say about the matter. <<CAN YOU BELIEVE HILLARY? I stood slack-jawed yesterday when the Media Darling, Hillary Clinton, positioned herself in front of the cameras to announce to her anxiously waiting myrmidons that this White House just isn't forthcoming on the Cheney incident and other issues of importance to the American public. OK, Let's see. We have the Vince Foster episode. Hillary's own aides were in Vince Foster's office going through his files immediately after Foster's body was found. Those files were delivered to Hillary. They've never been seen since. How's that for being forthcoming? And then we have that matter of the Rose Law Firm billing records. The Congress subpoenaed them from Hillary. She claimed she didn't have them. She said they probably have been destroyed. Then, after two years of dodging this legal subpoena, they're found in Hillary's private office in the living quarters of the White House. They're found with her handwriting and her fingerprints all over them. Hillary dodges a subpoena for two years, and then she stands before the American public to bitch because the Bush White House hasn't been "forthcoming." Amazing. We can only hope that the majority of Americans, and a good number of American women, can see through this phony and dangerous politician's lies and distortions.>>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I would love for Hillary to get elected president in 2008 just so I could watch all you guys throw a 4-year hissy fit.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I honestly don't understand all the unbridled hostility toward hillary clinton. Of course, it's only coming from one direction - republicans - but the point remains. In post #1, we get another ride down memory lane, and the shock SHOCK about bill's extra-curricular affairs. Like hillary had anything to do with that. But logic be damned, we're bashing this woman and anything is fair game, no matter how illogical. Hillary is saying the same thing that lots of pundits are saying - that this administration cloaks itself in secrecy and arrogance. The host of this thread never bothers to dispute this fact, only that the previous administration was worse. I don't happen to agree, but either way that was over five years ago - time to be movin' along. They're also still not quite over their righteous indignation that bill clinton had sex outside of marriage. If you were married to hillary, wouldn't you at least consider it? >> There is nothing more to be said on the matter, and when there is, the local authorities, who are the APPROPRIATE channel for information, will tell the rest of us. << So by your view, our government will only tell us what they want us to know, and only when they want us to know it. And when they say there's nothing more to be said, that's it - the matter is closed. Jeez, you're a republican for a reason, obviously.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I honestly don't understand all the unbridled hostility toward hillary clinton<< She's not barefoot and in the kitchen like a good First Lady is supposed to be. Some guys just don't like women that are smarter than they are.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Well, to be fair, she makes some pretty harsh one-liners from time to time, and I don't think she should be immune from getting called on those. She knows full well that she's steppped into the political arena, and I'm sure expects some of the slings and arrows. That said, she is the go-to punching bag for the far right. Much of what she says gets distorted beyond all reason, and by raising the spector of her as president, the GOP will raise a ton of cash from the party faithful. One more however, however: When she makes outrageous quips like the plantatiuon thing and suggesting it shouldn't be that difficult to find "the tallest man in Afghanistan" and such, well, she lives down to those caricatures.
