Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt <a href="http://gawker.com/5985315/multiple-dead-after-man-goes-on-shooting-and-carjacking-spree-across-orange-county" target="_blank">http://gawker.com/5985315/mult...e-county</a> At least four people are dead after a gunman went on a shooting spree in Orange County. This is following the Dorner rampage and Empire Nightclub shootings last week.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer We really need to focus on the fact that he may or may not have consumed a beer in the last 90 days
Originally Posted By mawnck One of those shootings took place approximately across the street from the apartments where I live. OK, that's it. I gotta get me some guns. Lots and lots of guns. But seriously, am loving all the conservative comments that (1) this took place in liberal, gun-hating California (it's actually in conservative, gun-crazy Tustin) and (2) it must've been an illegal Mexican gangbanger (assumes facts not in evidence).
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I love how people discount the number of deaths from DUIs, making jokes of it, while at the same time demanding something be done against guns, when more people die from alcohol reasons than guns daily in the U.S.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <One of those shootings took place approximately across the street from the apartments where I live. OK, that's it. I gotta get me some guns. Lots and lots of guns.> Well, you might want to consider getting one. And getting properly trained, and being responsible with it.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "At least four people are dead after a gunman went on a shooting spree in Orange County. This is following the Dorner rampage and Empire Nightclub shootings last week. " Im sure if he didnt have a gun he would have found another way to kill these people!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 We've been through this. The number of DUI's has been brought down remarkably over the last 20 years or so precisely because we did get tougher about it.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Well, you might want to consider getting one. And getting properly trained, and being responsible with it.<< Wait, Mr. Carjacker, just hold on a sec. I gotta get out my gun.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I love how people discount the number of deaths from DUIs, making jokes of it, while at the same time demanding something be done against guns, when more people die from alcohol reasons than guns daily in the U.S." Hasn't the number of DUIs dropped dramatically in the US in the past few decades because of stricter laws and more awareness? Why not do the same with guns? Or maybe you're just trolling.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>when more people die from alcohol reasons than guns daily in the U.S.<< Link? Proof? See also what Dabob said. We've cut DUIs in half by getting tough. Amazingly, we decided restrictions and tougher laws were smarter than more alcohol, unlike what the gun lobby wants. And despite all of that, anyone of age can get a drink with relative ease. Let's absolutely regulate guns the way we regulate cars. I'm all for that.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'd add, gun owners don't bring up DUI because they're concerned about it. They bring it up because, like a child stamping his foot and pointing at a sibling, they think it somehow takes the responsibility off of them because there's something else bad out there. Maybe we can talk to them like we do our children and say, "We're not talking about DUIs right now, we're talking about guns."
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 This is the best I could find, up to 2009... According to the NHTSA statistics from printed page 32 (pdf page 48) of <a href="http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811402EE.pdf" target="_blank">http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/P...02EE.pdf</a> Persons killed in “Alcohol Related” and “Alcohol Impaired” accidents Year BAC > .01 g/dL BAC > .08 g/dL 2005 15,985 13,582 2006 15,970 13,491 2007 15,534 13,041 2008 13,826 11,711 2009 12,744 10,839 -------------------------- According to the FBI CIUS (Crime in the US) 2009 data taken from <a href="http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/off...rtable_08.html" target="_blank">http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius20..._08.html</a> Persons Murdered by Firearms: 2005 10,158 2006 10,225 2007 10,129 2008 9,528 2009 9,146 So even though deaths might have dropped for DUI deaths, they are still higher than murders with guns...But let's keep on spouting out total BS and discount those that have a differing opinion than you... I am all for gun control but as the 2nd or 3rd post basically made fun of alcohol deaths, I am going to argue the point since you guys are acting like idiots...
Originally Posted By EdisYoda I've got a great idea... let's ban cars, that will stop DUI's and Drive by shootings at the same time!
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 The problem I have is after every shooting, there is a new thread, there is no need for it... We get it, you want gun control, we don't need hundreds of threads reaffirming your opinion...
Originally Posted By Mr X ***we don't need hundreds of threads reaffirming your opinion*** Considering the whole of your post, the irony of this last statement is just fantastic. Really. Hundreds, indeed. You SURE we don't need a thread for each one? Perhaps the message might finally sink in somewhere.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The problem I have is after every shooting, there is a new thread, there is no need for it<< Oh yes there is. You mad? Since this one was ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE I LIVE, I'm very much in favor of there being a new thread for it.
Originally Posted By mawnck BTW, the story gets regular updates here: <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/news/reportedly-496387-fired-freeway.html" target="_blank">http://www.ocregister.com/news...way.html</a> Dude has an Indian-sounding name, apparently killed someone at his family's home (unidentified as of yet), and figured on going out in a blaze of glory. Gun nuts: "If only his victims had had guns." Everyone else: "If only **he** hadn't."
Originally Posted By ecdc >>So even though deaths might have dropped for DUI deaths, they are still higher than murders with guns...But let's keep on spouting out total BS and discount those that have a differing opinion than you...<< Except that's not what you said. You've moved the goalposts. What you said was: >>when more people *die* from alcohol reasons than guns daily in the U.S.<< Comparing gun *murders* is very different than comparing gun *deaths.* You've removed accidental shootings and suicides. Even taking suicides out of the equation still adds between 5,000 and 8,000 gun deaths to your totals...which makes them either exceed or at least very close to alcohol related deaths. Including suicides, around 30,000 people die in this country from guns every year, far eclipsing the alcohol related deaths. So your statement was incorrect. >>but as the 2nd or 3rd post basically made fun of alcohol deaths<< No, it didn't. It made fun of gun owners like Donny who, in the face of most gun threads on these boards, bring up DUI and alcohol related deaths. Again, you are incorrect. >>I am going to argue the point since you guys are acting like idiots...<< Hmmm...you were wrong twice and that makes the rest of us idiots?
