Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0" target="_blank">http://service.spiegel.de/cach e/international/spiegel/0</a>,1518,431793,00.html >>SPIEGEL: You also mentioned the hatred for the United States throughout the Arab world which has ensued as a result of the invasion of Iraq. Given this circumstance, does it come as any surprise that Washington's call for democracy in the Middle East has been discredited? Carter: No, as a matter of fact, the concerns I exposed have gotten even worse now with the United States supporting and encouraging Israel in its unjustified attack on Lebanon. SPIEGEL: But wasn't Israel the first to get attacked? Carter: I don't think that Israel has any legal or moral justification for their massive bombing of the entire nation of Lebanon. What happened is that Israel is holding almost 10,000 prisoners, so when the militants in Lebanon or in Gaza take one or two soldiers, Israel looks upon this as a justification for an attack on the civilian population of Lebanon and Gaza. I do not think that's justified, no.<<
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm convinced that Carter is senile. Here is what Neil Boortz had to say about the matter. <<<JIMMY CARTER: ISRAEL BASHER Former President Jimmy Carter has weighed in on Israel's war with Hezbollah, and his position really shouldn't come as a surprise. Carter says the situation in the Middle East has now gotten worse, thanks to the Bush Administration's support of Israel in its attack on Hezbollah. But that's not how Jimmy phrased it. He said "...the concerns I exposed have gotten even worse now with the United States supporting and encouraging Israel in its unjustified attack on Lebanon." That's right, the attack on Lebanon. Not Hezbollah. This is significant, and is spoken exactly the way the Islamic terrorists want it. Hezbollah won the propaganda war in its conflict with Israel because of this small detail. They were able to portray, along with the help of a willing mainstream media, that Israel was attacking poor, innocent Lebanon. The fact that Israel was going after the Islamic terrorist killers of Hezbollah, who happened to be in Lebanon...well that's just a small, insignificant detail. But Carter wasn't done there...when asked about the current administration, he couldn't resist a little Bush-bashing. He claims that the United States permitted torture to take place at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. He also continued to recite the fantasy that the Bush Administration ever said that anyone who doesn't agree with them isn't patriotic. As you read this ...or listen to this .... remember: It as Jimmy Carter who almost single-handedly destroyed our intelligence-gathering capabilities when he was president. It is no stretch to say that if Carter had never been president 9/11 might not have happened, such was the extent of his decimation of our intelligence services. Same old Jimmy Carter. Some things never change. Too bad the former president wasn't asked about the fact that Islamic terrorism was born on his watch.>>> Now lets look at the interview. <<SPIEGEL: But wasn't Israel the first to get attacked?>> Carter never answers this question. Lets look at his responce. <<Carter: I don't think that Israel has any legal or moral justification for their massive bombing of the entire nation of Lebanon.>> Lies! Israel never bombed the entire nation of Lebanon and Carter knows this. More spin from the nutty Democrat crowd. <<so when the militants in Lebanon or in Gaza take one or two soldiers, Israel looks upon this as a justification for an attack on the civilian population of Lebanon and Gaza.>> Hexbolla are not militants and Carter knows this. They are terrorist out to kill Jews and destroy Israel. Israel has every right ( just like every other nation in this world to protect itself. Notice how the interviewer and Carter NEVER mention that the Palastinines rockets into civilian areas continually as soon as Israel pulled out of Gaza. Notice how the interviewer and Carter NEVER mention the over two hundred US Marines that were killed by Hezbolla back in the 80s. Or that Iran is supplying Hezbolla with guns and weapons. OR that the UN has had "Peace Keepers" in Lebonanon for the past six years who have done nothing. Notice how the interviewer and Carter never mention that Israel was fighting Hezbolla. And that Hezbolla was using the Lebonese people as human shields, shooting missles from apartment buildings. I'm sure that the terrorists around the world are VERY happy with the Democratic Party. How could ever hope for a better ally in the US.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan This: >> He also continued to recite the fantasy that the Bush Administration ever said that anyone who doesn't agree with them isn't patriotic. << Followed by: >>I'm sure that the terrorists around the world are VERY happy with the Democratic Party. How could ever hope for a better ally in the US.<< I don't agree with what Carter is saying re: Israel, but I sure understand where he gets the idea that Bush & Co. consider people who disagree with them as patriotic. The comment above is a perfect illustration of where that perception comes from. Add in Cheney's comments about the CT election, and there you go.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>people who disagree with them as patriotic.<< Ooops. Make that 'unpatriotic.'
Originally Posted By ecdc Carter's senile because he disagrees with you? Interesting... I don't agree with Carter's entire perspective, but it's one shared by plenty of people around the world. Not everyone is on board with Israel bombing an entire country back to the stone age because two of its soldiers were kidnapped. Personally, I have little tolerance left for the Muslims in the Middle East. They are either radical or cower to the radicals. It's time they take some responsibility. But Carter's comments are hardly out of left field.
Originally Posted By ecdc "I don't agree with what Carter is saying re: Israel, but I sure understand where he gets the idea that Bush & Co. consider people who disagree with them as unpatriotic." What? C'mon, Bush and Co. are very tolerant of opposing views. Remember their full assault on the New York Times a few months ago? Freedom of the press is for the birds!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Not out of left field but irresponsible as a former president...and world leader
Originally Posted By YourPalEd You know what the problem is, Carter is absolutely right, and honest. But their is the conflict that when freedom is given to hezbollah, they tend to want to get even, instead of participating in someone else's culture, and paperwork. Captilists just assume our defeated enemies will want insurance, and pay taxes, like we don't like to do. These fake leaders, who like to start wars, not end them, which is the definition of war monger, if you ever read the dictionary, these anti-american traitors, who are illegally in the white house, they forget these concoctions, and many other things we take for granted do not apply to other cultures. Time to start setting up hydrogen distrubtion centers and getting rid of oil as a combustable energy source.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Carter is the perfect liberal. He can't even figure out that Israel is the good guy and Carter is to stupid and ignorant to know that HE caused all of this terrorism back in the 70's when he let the Shaw of Iran fall and he wussed out against Iran when they took our hostages for 444 days. Carter is a disgrace who never met a dictator he didn't like. If you can even stick up for him a little you need to get a clue... in my opinion.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Ed, are you for real or are you just messing with us? I mean, you sound like a mainstream liberal to me who is just being honest in your views.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger I think he is. But he only posts after he's eaten a couple of homemade brownies.
Originally Posted By mele Yes, I'm pretty sure that all of the wars in the world were started because Capitalists wanted to sell their enemies insurance. Oh my God. Mel was right!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I live in Georgia and I unfortunately have to listen to the almost daily verbage spewing from Former President Jimmy Carters mouth on our news, radio and newspapers. When the man isn't validating elections for his buddy Venezuela President Hugo Chavez . Then he's saying nice things about his pal Fidel Castro. It doesn't matter if its a funeral for Coretta Scott King or a German Newspaper, Carter never seems to miss an opportunity to tell us how bad President Bush is (even at times or war ). Perhaps this is all in an attempt to make his own previous stint in the White House look better. Hummm I seem to remember the good old days when home mortgages were 14%.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Oh... lets have some fun. Can ANYONE defend Carter's statements? Oh come on!!!! Give it a try!!!! Militia? Israel attacking the Lebonese people? You have got to be kidding.... does anyone besides Michael Moore take Carter seriously anymore?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<to stupid and ignorant >> When you talk about how stupid someone is you should try to spell correctly. TOO stupid and ignorant...
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Karl Rove is the bad guy who planned and had olmert carry out the orders of the known traitor, george bush, to attack lebanon. Everyone knows this only slime deny, censor and block from their ears, and eyes, this truth. It's so laughable. They just throw away the believability of talk show host after talk show host, who try to act like this is israeli policy, when everyone knows it is karl rove policy, to keep spending american tax payers money on the defense industry. It was karl rove, who planned and ordered the censorship of all media, and the israeli people's views which of course is against the war in reality. 9 out of 10 israeli's are, and were indeed against this american incursion into lebanon. You wouldn't know it from the american traitors, who lie and say, israeli's support the war, which they don't. Of course, they are just lying on tv like they always do. They see murder weapons as just another product to sell. They want war to keep their murder weapons selling. Why deny what everyone already knows is true. Why not adapt and say, or ask something like, "Okay, maybe so, well what do think is a better solution?" The fact that the traitor, george bush, gave money to olmert of Israel to attack lebanon, with bombs made in columbine, and paid by us tax money, is known to all, and is being denied, censored, and blocked by republican traitors, who are cowards, afraid of the truth.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd As to defending Carter's statements... The only reason the known traitors in the white house allowed the statements from Carter is to be misconstrued by the ignorant. If you were so sure of what you claim to believe, you would have a channel, that is live 24 hours a day that allowed carter to speak his views, or whoever he chose. But you can not. And it's not that it wouldn't be popular. It would be the most popular channel on tv. Instead they put a week of funeral coverage of the sellout, and senile boarderline criminal, ronald reagan, whose ignorance allowed the parasites to take hold of the republican party.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Oh... lets have some fun. Can ANYONE defend Carter's statements? Oh come on!!!! Give it a try!!!!>> Although I disagree with Carter's conclusions, he has his fact correct. <<Israel attacking the Lebonese people?>> Israel killed FAR MORE of Lebanon’s civilians than they did Hezbollah fighters. That, to me, means they did indeed attack the Lebanese people. The difference is not in the FACTS, but in Carter finding it unjustified and my finding it an unfortunate by-product of a necessary action.
