Originally Posted By barboy2 In the past year I've done a 180 on my opinion regarding pat downs, screenings and prohibited itmes for air departures in the USA. I've concluded it's all a complete waste of time + money and ultimately inconveniences passengers by making us pay outrageously high prices for alcohol, soda and coffee at the gate---- TSA screenings operate as a show to make us feel more secure. While waiting for a flight out of San Francisco in the international wing/gates I sat down at an eatery and 10 minutes into my meal I had already thought of how I could easily modify items on the table into 5 bonafide weapons which then could be taken aboard-----good for my fellow passengers that I have no desire to terrorize or disrupt the flight. So imagine what a team of smart terrorists trained in weapon assembly with a lot of time on their hands who are not afraid to die could put together after passing through the checkpoints. ***Oh and by the way I'm so glad that TSA showed a picture of a hand grenade next to a pair of scissors and water bottle on a prohibited items board. It's good that they cleard that up because I thought hand grenades in the cabin were fine---- doesn't everybody pack those on trips???***
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo You've come to the conclusion I came to a very long time ago. And the ones at Disneyland are even more rediculous.
Originally Posted By Mr X Disney doing a check without metal detectors is a total joke. And in particular the fact they started doing that at Tokyo Disney shortly after 9/11... Why the hell would a terrorist attack Tokyo Disneyland? At the very most, people in America (AND Europe) would collectively say "we had no idea there was a Disney park in China! wow, that's too bad!". Terrorists are dumb, but not THAT dumb. They wouldn't waste their time, and so what exactly is the point!?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo exactly, at DCA, you have to go through security to get to the parks (it litterly started the afternoon of 9/11, I was there). But they do not check the guests at the Disneyland Hotel. If I were going to do something to DLP, I would simply check in at the DLH and then wreak havoc. Pointless.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yup. At Disneyland, I could have easily snuck something into the place a million times over. Either past the pathetic security, or through the cast member gate (using either a legit or false I.D.), or for that member over any of the fences (a Mickey Mouse costume was thrown over the fence to be picked up later by some EBAY scumbags...it ain't that hard, and getting some bad things INTO the parks over the fence is even easier). And when it comes to airports it's not much better. Check the employee entrances and exits, and the outer fences, and tell us that's all tight and secure. THEN maybe we rubes will be happy to go through your x-rays and pat-downs without question. (DAVE, please tell me the radiation machine is NOT mandatory at Heathrow?...Little X has gotten enough radiation exposure for one year methinks)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***or for that member*** or for that matter (I had "cast member" on the brain). an edit feature would make life SO much easier.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ya, but if we had edits, then the trolls could really have a field day... As for Xrays for humans, I am not sure, I have not flown through Heathrow for about 4 years. But I have never gone through an X Ray machine in the UK, but the world is getting more crazy. May be worth contacting the airline or airport.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Not only that I have many times jumped off the Disneyland Airport Bus given my luggage to the DL Hotel valet and spent a couple hours at DL. They do not bother to even verify that I am a resort guest. I guess as long as they make a few dollars tip no other problems exist... I feel the Security Profession is the only new job created in the past 10 years so it has some value. Even when we are in a higher alert: the policemen or security guards(sometimes with the more intelligent bomb sniffing dogs) are not bothering to even Be on Alert they are busy talking it up with another guardsmen! If you have 2 guards posted why are they standing next to each other instead of being at opposite ends of the assigned territory? Very insecure secure program is what I call it.But hey it's a job...
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Heck, at least Six Flags Magic Mountain uses Metal Detectors. Now, I do have to laugh about backstage. Lisa and I did a special event recently at the park, and were walking backstage and had a bunch of employees saying hi and kicking back. Nobody really cared if we were employees or not..... Now, yes, many folks at the park know who we are, as we get to do many of the special events, but still, entering the area there is a "check", but to enter the area from the Public area of the park (aka exit to backstage) is so easy and nobody is there to stop you...... Amazing, due to their "value" in raising tax dollars, you have Law Enforcement sub-stations at Universal Studios Hollywood, the Disneyland Resort and Six Flags Magic Mountain. But to be honest, the security stations are basically "feel good" events, which basically help keep outside food out of the park, and nothing more in most cases. (Well, at least SFMM does do some good....)
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Mr X I was behind a family that did not want there children to be Xray scanned by the new powerful scanners. The mother was a little loud about her demands so they did go thru the personal body patdown line instead. I think they thought I was with them since I was alone and they not only gave me the new invasive scan but also the patdown...I am almost certain the newer machines are at all the major airports now..(well LAX and Orlando) but I think families with small children can request the personal body patdown. That is your only option unfortunately. Just make certain you and your wife remain calm and observe your child at all times for your own parental security. <a href="http://www.tsa.gov" target="_blank">http://www.tsa.gov</a>
Originally Posted By Mr X Wow... It is actually NICE to hear from you Darkbeer, and to read your own personal thoughts dude. Hope you and your family are doing well man. And I agree with what you wrote 100%. MMC thank you for the info. It will only be the Little One and myself traveling this time (Mrs. X is joining us in America, but flying separately for a variety of reasons). So, I'll keep an eye on her. I have no plans to cause any trouble, but I WILL probably speak up if they want to put her through a radiation machine as she's gotten more than her fair share this year already (and if need be, I will speak up but I'll do so politely and reasonably and explain my concerns...if that results in a body search or whatever we have already discussed that particular issue as a family and I'll deal with it as reasonably as I can as a Parent...I have no wish to cause trouble but I WILL keep a careful eye on things to say the least!).
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder All I can say on this topic is that if anyone thinks that the TSA checks at an airport or the entrances to Disneyland are the last and/or only line of defense or that monitoring of the public stops there, you're sadly mistaken.
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Originally Posted By vbdad55 agreed SPP and it's not exactly a current phenomenon- the Red Squad comes into mind
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Terrorists are dumb/// But the 911 plan was brilliant, extremely brilliant. The Rider truck bomb plot in Oaklahoma City was pretty damn effective too. Malvo and Mohammad tricked out a sedan and randomly shot people in the DC region. Their plan was sound enough that they were taking people out even with witnesses close by and not one was able to notice where the shots originated. The 'Unabomber' baffled authorities for years--- in fact the FBI didn't even solve the case; Ted's own brother ratted him out. And Ted was no dummy: the guy earned a PhD and professed math at UC Berkeley.
