Originally Posted By andyll 1 - House passes the senate bill. It means the health care bill was passed with 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House. 2 – Offer up an amendment to bring the bill in line with the Hyde Amendment. Do not do this in reconciliation. Force Republican’s to either vote against restricting abortion or to have a yes vote on a part of the HC bill. 3- Through reconciliation pass an amendment that increases the threshold of Cadillac plans to be taxed ( Obama’s plan ) and at the same time remove the special handouts to Nebraska and other states given in the Senate bill. Force the Republican’s to either vote yes on a health care amendment or vote against removing the special entitlements. 4- Try to pass a public option based on allowing anyone to buy into Medicare. Call it Medicare Part E. Force the Republican’s to vote against a Medicare bill. No matter what the Republican’s are going to use Health Care in the elections whether it passes or not. Do these things and you improve the bill and also get some ammunition so you can fight back.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Those are good steps, your 1-4. But I'd call them steps 2-5, because first the Democrats need a true step one: Grow a pair. Discover a backbone. Show some guts. Whatever body part metaphor you prefer - I'm sure you know what I'm saying.
Originally Posted By snappyfun Democratic party hero and former head off the KKK says reconciliation was not made for a health care bill, so you leftist better follow your hero.
Originally Posted By andyll <<Grow a pair. Discover a backbone. Show some guts. Whatever body part metaphor you prefer - I'm sure you know what I'm saying.>> Not going to happen. But I think they realize their chances are worst this fall if they let it fail now. <<Democratic party hero and former head off the KKK says reconciliation was not made for a health care bill, so you leftist better follow your hero.>> No clue what you are talking about but they do not need reconciliation to pass it... all they need is the majority in the house.
Originally Posted By andyll <<dishonest, but funny.>> How am I dishonest? ( careful... I think you are about to show your lack of knowledge... )
Originally Posted By snappyfun technically you are right the first vote but Obama says after he signs the bill he will fix it through reconcilliation, now you and i both know that is true dont we...
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But I'd call them steps 2-5, because first the Democrats need a true step one: Grow a pair. Discover a backbone. Show some guts. Whatever body part metaphor you prefer - I'm sure you know what I'm saying.*** Couldn't agree with you more, Dabob. I really just don't get it. I can't figure out what they're so afraid of, except that they are really naive about what voters want and expect from them and think by appearing non-confrontational (and thus getting NOTHING done whatsoever) they'll get to keep their jobs. They couldn't be more wrong imho. ***But I think they realize their chances are worst this fall if they let it fail now*** Too bad they didn't realize that last year, when they should've gotten things rammed through...if so they'd probably still have a 60 vote supermajority and be in much better shape for November. If they lose (and they most likely will, maybe even turn it over), I won't blame the Republicans. It will be ENTIRELY the Democrats' own fault.
Originally Posted By andyll The 1st vote is the main bill. It includes 95% of the health bill. The reconcilation bill is a seperate bill. If it doesn't pass then the original bill stands. The dishonest is Republican's that are claiming that health care is being passed through a rules gimmick.
Originally Posted By snappyfun so sleepy, last thing i will say about this tonight. Americans agree with me, check mate. night
Originally Posted By SuperDry Do you mean that the Americans that personally have acceptable health coverage agree that they want to keep it? That seems to cover the vast majority of people that are against universal coverage or otherwise fixing the current mess.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/opinion/12krugman.html?src=twt&twt=NytimesKrugman" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03...sKrugman</a> Paul Krugman very effectively debunks the healthcare myths. Enjoy!
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Democratic party hero and former head off the KKK says reconciliation was not made for a health care bill, so you leftist better follow your hero. >> I'll presume you are talking about Sen. Byrd, a Senator who: 1) Was never the head of the KKK and 2) Is on record in a recent interview in favor of reconciliation as a process to pass health care reform since it reduces the budget deficit Is it possible for you to come up with arguments that don't involve telling lies?
Originally Posted By Labuda "Do you mean that the Americans that personally have acceptable health coverage agree that they want to keep it? That seems to cover the vast majority of people that are against universal coverage or otherwise fixing the current mess." For the record, I am all for giving every American good health coverage despite the fact that I have one of them "gold-plated" policies. Thank goodness I'm not the only one who is fortunate yet realizes that ALL Americans deserve to be healthy.
Originally Posted By Mr X Oh, I think there are plenty of folks out there like you Labuda. My impression of SD's comment was that of those that OPPOSED it, the vast majority already have theirs (but not implying that some who are already set don't feel as you do). Of course, since he's a Texan and so are you maybe you understood his implication better than us non-Texans could. ;p
Originally Posted By Labuda Yeah, I know what he meant. I'm just saying that while most that oppose it have great health care like me, not ALL of us are evil. Oh, and did you notice I slipped in a little Texan speak with the "have one of them "gold-plated" policies" bit? I did that in honor of SD's residency.
Originally Posted By Labuda Hey, at least I self-edited a bit. I *almost* said "them there" but, alas, couldn't go that far down that road. Of course, part of that is also that I was unsure of how I should spell if it I was saying it "them thar" - would that be the right way, or is there an apostrophe in that colloquialism? I'm afraid I do not know.
Originally Posted By andyll <<Grow a pair. Discover a backbone. Show some guts. Whatever body part metaphor you prefer - I'm sure you know what I'm saying.>> I realized this morning that the individual Democrats do not need to grow a pair... the DNC does. The DNC at both a national and state level needs make it clear to the Congresspeople that they will face a DNC supported challenger if they vote against healthcare.
