Originally Posted By Dabob2 McCain is now running an ad in which he claims Obama supported "comprehensive sex education" for kindergarten. It concludes "Learning about sex before learning to read? Barack Obama. Wrong on education. Wrong for your family." This is just plain false. Obama while a state senator supported legislation for K-12 that was "age appropriate" - at the kindergarten level all it did was talk about inappropriate touching and tell kids that if an adult touches you in the wrong way, be sure to tell your parents and/or teacher about it, even if the adult who touched you tells you not to. In other words, it was basic protection against child predators. Many states have this now. And from this, McCain claims Obama supported "Learning about sex before learning to read." <a href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310/story/52169.html" target="_blank">http://www.mcclatchydc.com/310...169.html</a> This is just slimy, gutter politics. And Obama needs to call McCain out on it. An Obama spokesman did respond with: "It is shameful and downright perverse for the McCain campaign to use a bill that was written to protect young children from sexual predators as a recycled and discredited political attack against a father of two young girls - a position that his friend Mitt Romney also holds. Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't define what honor was. Now we know why," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton." Well said. But I think Obama himself needs to call McCain out on this. In fact, it presents a perfect opportunity for Obama, who needs to be a little less Dukakis, a little more Bill Clinton, i.e. don't let the slurs go unanswered. If ever there was a time to show a little righteous anger, this is it. After all this was not some 527 stealth group (though it may seem like one of those ads) - it was from the McCain camp itself. Obama should personally call this out, call it "gutter politics" and shame McCain personally. Say that "John McCain has just shown that he will say anything to win an election. He's John McCain and he approved that message - and that message was a lie." This claim is so demonstrably false, and so sleazy, that this would have the added benefit of making people question the veracity of future McCain ads, and expose him as just another politician who's anything but a "straight talker." And if Obama calls him out personally, it will put McCain on the defensive. I hope he does.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>who needs to be a little less Dukakis, a little more Bill Clinton, i.e. don't let the slurs go unanswered<< Boy howdy. This slimy stuff is exactly what people latch on to and make their voting decisions on. Now, when called on it, John McCain will chuckle a little and then say, no, of course he doesn't believe it. Just like he did when asked about the slams against community service from Guiliani and Palin at the RNC. It's very convenient. Say whatever you want in an ad or in a highly watched televised speech, play it over and over again to drive the message home, but then when asked about it, admit it's wrong. Of course, the number of people who hear the "modification" are far fewer than those who hear the outrageous statement in the first place. Gutter politics at its finest.
Originally Posted By mawnck This SO deserves an Obama commercial, on every break for the next three days. It plays into the whole Rush Limbaugh politics thing SO well that it would shake loose a lot of moderates from their temporarily McCain-leaning positions. Seriously. The strongest attack ads are the ones that match up with viewers' pre-conceived notions. This one is practically gift-wrapped for portraying McCain as a typical Republican sleazeball. Sic 'em, Obama!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yes, but at least in this instance, we do have the "I'm John McCain and I approved this message." Everyone mocked that phrase when it was first introduced, but it's sometimes a useful one. I think (hope) McCain and his Rovian handlers may have made a major misstep with this one. They should have left this to an "uncoordinated" 527 group. The fact that McCain approved such a demonstrable lie could prove very useful for Obama... IF he's smart enough to seize it and pound it home.
Originally Posted By ecdc I can't wait for all the Palin defenders to come and tell us their thoughts on this. Obama said Bristol Palin was off limits. Nice of McCain to return the favor with decency and honesty. Unbelievable.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Hey Obama was a community organizer, back off people!" Yes he WAS. And McCain IS a bold faced LIAR.
Originally Posted By alexbook I keep seeing news reports about McCain ads, but I've yet to actually see a McCain ad on TV. Do they actually show these ads on TV, or do they just release them to the news shows and YouTube? Or am I just watching the wrong TV shows?
Originally Posted By FaMulan I saw one on ABC yesterday evening. Very slick, it show Obama at his acceptance speech, then strips everything away and shows other Democratic Legislators while a voice over states that by voting Obama, we'd be getting more of the same, not change. More of the same by electing a Democrat to the highest office of the land? I'm not so sure about that.
Originally Posted By dshyates The Sex Ed ad is running in Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Missouri and Wisconsin, as well as on the Discovery channel.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Alexbook, if you don't live in a "battleground state," you won't see most of the ads, except perhaps as the ads themselves are reported as news.
Originally Posted By alexbook Got it. I guess that means McCain is conceding California without a fight. Should I be relieved or annoyed at being ignored by the campaigns?
Originally Posted By Disneyworldland McCain does not need CA, all he needs to do is take Penn and it's over.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Yes DYG ---- didn't you get the memo... apparently McCain can do, say, and twist anything and it must then be the truth.. so apparently some people think he has won....
Originally Posted By Disneyworldland >>so apparently some people think he has won....<< Alot of people think this is over, Obama really has had his day but really has no way to fight back. It's over McCain will be Prez
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's over McCain will be Prez<< I know this'll be seen as a personal attack, but it's genuinely not meant to be. I don't understand why people come on discussion boards to make these kind of ridiculous statements. Is it an insecure need to reassure themselves? Is it a naivete that says "I believe it, so it must be true?" Regardless, it's a pointless thing to say that offers nothing to the "discussion" on the discussion boards. Anyone can say "Obama will be Prez." It means nothing and has just as much substance. Of course, even if the polls were more heavily slanted one way or another, we still wouldn't know who will be President until after the election. I just don't get this kind of empty, meaningless rhetoric.
Originally Posted By Ursula ^ True, but I really, really like to go back after any election and copy and paste with running commentary attached. I've noted this one down. And I agee, you don't see me running up and down the boards here shouting that Obama will be president. I'm just saying I want him to be my president and why, and why I don't want McCain. Simple.
