Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/politics/senate-bring-jobs-home-bill-blocked/index.html?hpt=hp_c1" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/...pt=hp_c1</a> Chinless Mitch McConnell wouldn't even allow a vote on it. It would give tax breaks to companies who "insource" while rescinding deductions for businesses that outsource. The GOP would rather people go jobless than do anything to possibly make Obama look good. The GOP hates you, and the feeling is mutual here.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that "insource" jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.>> The one item I am still waiting for Obama to provide is Root Beer in all of the drinking fountains at the schools. Outsourcing is a reality that our current national tax code supports. It just isn't so cut and dry to reverse manufacturing trends. But you can take heart in the knowledge that many US firms are bringing their manufacturing back home on their own accord. China went into the MFG business 20 years ago with extremely slim margins and cut eveyone out of business as a result. That business plan is now biting them in their own behinds simply due to inflationary issues. They are out of "cheap" labor in China and have sourced out our out-sourcing to Vietnam, Sri lanka, Indonesia, etc. But the quality coming out of those countries is pure crap. Also, the legal agreements between our firms and China aren't worth the cyber-paper that they are typed upon. Everything is copied and distributed throughout the world without even a "How-do-you-do"? Don't get me wrong, Obama's plan could be okay, but it is nothing more than political rehtoric. Why wasn't this his mission when he originally took office?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The one item I am still waiting for Obama to provide is Root Beer in all of the drinking fountains at the schools. << The last water I tried to drink out of a school drinking fountain LOOKED a lot like root beer.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Don't get me wrong, Obama's plan could be okay, but it is nothing more than political rehtoric.> Why can't it be good policy and good politics at the same time? <Why wasn't this his mission when he originally took office? > Because he had to stop the bleeding of an economy losing 750,000 jobs a month, which he did. Then his primary focus became the health care bill, which took far far longer than it should have. Since the ACA passed, he's proposed other jobs bills also. The Republicans blocked them all.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Because he had to stop the bleeding of an economy losing 750,000 jobs a month, which he did.>> And that's what you believe? In reality, no president has any significant impact on job markets, unless it is spend, spend, spend. Which is exactly what Obama's big "JOBs" plan has been all along. And yet, the realistic job numbers have not improved to any real degree. The White House is still figuring the 2011 temporary holiday seasonal jobs as part of "job growth". I blame Bush 1 & Bush II.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The government should spend spend spend. It's how we fix things that need fixing in our infrastructure, which allows other businesses to thrive and grow. Our highways in California are like driving over a heavily shelled area. Minnesota had one bridge collapse because it needed repair, and it isn't the only one. Or, we can all join Grover Norquist's kiddie dream of no taxes and watch everything crumble around us. I find it beyond ironic that the Internet -- a govt. built project, is the place where so many people show up each day to say we don't need no stinkin' government spending.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<I find it beyond ironic that the Internet -- a govt. built project, is the place where so many people show up each day to say we don't need no stinkin' government spending.>> <<(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency. The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office. The latest posting from the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department shows the National Debt now stands at $15.566 trillion. It was $10.626 trillion on President Bush's last day in office, which coincided with President Obama's first day. The National Debt also now exceeds 100% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, the total value of goods and services.>> That Barrack Barry Obama is one brilliant president. Instead of each American owing $35K, we now each owe $55K to pay off the Nat. Debt. You first.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder ^^^^^^^^^^ THIS! And to all the people who say we don't need more taxes, there's so much waste if we reallocate we'll be fine- SHUT UP. I point you to the Los Angeles Superior Court as just one example. The court has closed 63 (!) courtrooms this past month, among them Lance Ito's, who now is a judge without a courtroom. If the money was there kids, it would be found. You don't go shutting courtrooms just to make a point, you do it because there's no alternative and there really isn't any money. City of Long Beach- ten years ago a guy who subsequently went to prison on an unrelated fraud issue led a drive to cut a utility tax by 50%. The city freaked, knowing the consequences, but the city charter prevented them from expounding resources on it. Real world effect on taxpayers was about $5-$10 a month. Within three years of the cut going into effect, the city had a budget shortfall of $40m and has been cutting everything ever since, including police and fire. Want to know how much revenue was lost due to the tax cut? $40M. And there are STILL some people here who bitch about the city wanting to raise revenue while in the same breath complain about the cut in services. THEY blame it on pensions, conveniently ignoring the fact that if that utility tax cut had never happened, all city fiscal responsibilities would be met, INCLUDING pension obligations.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "That Barrack Barry Obama is one brilliant president. Instead of each American owing $35K, we now each owe $55K to pay off the Nat. Debt. You first." Oh please. Bush never put the wars on the books. Obama did. You answer.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Bush never put the wars on the books. Obama did.<< Yep! Notice how the right continues to ignore that key factoid. Imagine what we could have done here with all the money spent on two wars. How many people could be at work building bridges, roads, healthcare, schools, etc.? Instead, we spent it on blowing up and rebuilding places that will revert to the same violent pits they've been for 1,000 years. George W. was awesome!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Goingback to my pet peeve about this latest crap- it's the not letting them even vote on it that pisses me off. Whatcha scared of McConnell? That it will pass and actually do this country some good???
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Yes. The thing is, he blocks everything good Obama wants to do, and the Republicans go right on believing that Obama doesn't do anything to help the country. Bunch of blathering idiot sheep running around spewing the latest Fox News lies, and meanwhile our country is falling down around us because we wouldn't want to raise the taxes any on the poor multi-millionaires.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>Oh please. Bush never put the wars on the books. Obama did. You answer.<<< This + infinity. Still waiting for someone on the right to acknowledge this FACT.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Yes, conveniently ignoring the war debt added to the books... Yeah, because the debt can magically raise as soon as the new president takes office... redecorating the White House is expensive, you know?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "And that's what you believe?" I tend to believe empirical facts. "In reality, no president has any significant impact on job markets, unless it is spend, spend, spend. Which is exactly what Obama's big "JOBs" plan has been all along." Well, yeah. It's almost as if you're getting it. The stimulus was designed to stop the bleeding, and that's exactly what it did.
Originally Posted By Vic Sage "Bush never put the wars on the books. Obama did." You really don't understand how the federal budgets work, do you?
Originally Posted By dshyates So basically the GOP wants as many people unemployed as possible until the election. At which point we should note they have no jobs plan if they win, except to cut taxes on the "job creators". And they want to "trim" the safety net for the poor and unemployed.
